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QCTO Provider Information Sessions – Register and book your seat!
12th Dec 2016 at 9:09 am #25033
Dear Concerned Training Providers.
Please be advised that the QCTO have arranged 3 important Provider Information Sessions which will be in Gauteng, Western Cape and KZN. You need to register and book your seat! Please find the following link that will assist you in your registration.
The QCTO will be sharing very important information with you, and you will be able to engage with them on these sessions. There is no cost to you in attending these, so please ensure that you are pro-active, register and get your ticket to avoid disappointment. There are a limit on the number of individuals that can attend!
We thank the QCTO for arranging this, acknowledging there are issues and have shown a commitment to the Training Providers!
13th Dec 2016 at 4:28 am #25092
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13th Dec 2016 at 11:10 am #25090
13th Dec 2016 at 11:16 am #25089
Hi Pamela, that is fantastic news, thank you! Pamela, learning material is a very important – and this needs to be discussed, questions need to be posed, and clarity! So, I would recommend that we have a group of Learning Material Developers there (actually in each region). Every session completed, notes and feedback needs to be posted, so that we share this with Providers in other Provinces that is not able to travel. Very good point Pamela, thank you for that!
13th Dec 2016 at 11:41 am #25088
13th Dec 2016 at 11:49 am #25087
What a great idea! Yes, I will be at the Gauteng Session, and so will my brother Warrior Nigel! Currently the numbers registered and secured their seats are as follows:
195 Registered and confirmed for Gauteng (We are on the half-way mark in GP – there is only 200 seats left!)
83 Registered and confirmed for Cape Town (loads of seats available)
49 Registered and confirmed for Durban (not sure why KZN is not jumping for this opportunity?)
I think Dr Jax will be at the KZN session. I made sure that I booked, don’t want to miss this opportunity. The information that will be shared will have an impact on the future for Providers, this includes Learning Material Developers, Assessors, Moderators, ETD Practitioners and Consultants. Let’s get these sessions full to capacity members!!!
13th Dec 2016 at 12:01 pm #25086
Maybe, what I should mention here is the following.
1. Other specific sessions have come and gone – from the QCTO and from SETAs
2. Those sessions were based on specific criterias/requirements
So what’s the difference in these sessions? There is a huge difference in the 3 sessions arranged by the QCTO. It is for Providers to get information (whereby we can hear this from the QCTO directly). All Providers, ETD Practitioners, Assessors, Moderators, Learning Material Developers have been trying to get facts, address issues and concerns. Did you get the information you needed? No, I didn’t think so. All the Providers and ETD Practitioners that feels they have been left out, well here is your chance to attend. There is NO cost to you, NO entrance fee or booking fee. The QCTO is covering all the costs of the venues, and we are absolutely grateful, that the QCTO have acknowledged that there is a need to address important issues.
All issues and concerns that we have addressed with the QCTO is currently being investigated, and some of these issues will actually be addressed in the sessions.
13th Dec 2016 at 12:30 pm #25085
13th Dec 2016 at 1:11 pm #25084
13th Dec 2016 at 1:50 pm #25083
13th Dec 2016 at 1:51 pm #25082
13th Dec 2016 at 2:14 pm #25081
Tass, you are correct and it was addressed. However, “I put it to you”, if the response and guidance that we are waiting for from the QCTO, does not address the Learning Material Development, then we need to ensure that this gets questioned in the first, second and third QCTO session! The questions that was submitted in short regarding Learning Material was:
1. How do Learning Material Developers get the opportunity within the new framework of occupational qualifications to develop material, do they get registered, listed?
2. Who will be held responsible for additional costs towards programme alignment.
Various other issues impact learning material as well, so this is very important. Actually, this is crucial to all providers to know. Thank you for bringing this up. Maybe we should give this the attention and time it needs! I still need to draw up something similar like a progress report on all the questions we have submitted, in order to track it. I am honest in saying I have not done this yet, but I will.
13th Dec 2016 at 4:23 pm #25080
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14th Dec 2016 at 6:36 am #25071
Does anyone know who was originally invited by the QCTO or are they only inviting the select few?
When I queried this with the QCTO I was advised registered providers were invited. As a registered provider I did not receive an invitation. If it were not for Skills Universe and Lynels notification I would certainly know nothing about this.
14th Dec 2016 at 6:48 am #25070
Hi Des, I can confirm with you that I was invited with 3 more individuals by the QCTO to meet with them. We (skills universe members) have been working very hard in submitting concerns to the QCTO and requested if we can have a stakeholder meeting which the QCTO will run with Providers. This have now been arranged, and the invitation is posted on skills universe. There is no “entry/registration” stipulations or requirements, and is open to all Providers. Just to put your mind at ease, I am not a Provider and I received the invitation to share with you. There is over 327 Providers that have already registered nationwide for these sessions and received their tickets, and I can promise you – it is open to all. In order to help us in this process, you can share this invitation to as many Providers that you know of (especially those not on skills universe), it will be appreciated. Trust this explanation is sufficient.
I am sure (or I assume) that APPETD also forwarded the invitation to all their members.
14th Dec 2016 at 6:50 am #25069
14th Dec 2016 at 6:58 am #25068
14th Dec 2016 at 10:39 am #25067
I have now attempted to email each and every Seta for assistance. The request sent was to forward the invitation to all their Providers. Various Emails have gone through, however some have come back (the person you have have emailed does not exist). The following Seta Emails are coming back to me:
Should you have the ETQA or QMD Manager’s email addresses for me, please could you assist me in this.
14th Dec 2016 at 10:49 am #25066
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15th Dec 2016 at 6:08 am #25058
15th Dec 2016 at 6:43 am #25057
Thank you Pieter, appreciated. Nigel has informed the Teta for us! I appreciate the Setas and Institutions that have come on board to assist in getting the message and invitation distributed – however, there are some Setas that have shown no interest, but this was expected. We will continue to spread the invitation to as many Providers, Assessors, Moderators, Learning Material Developers and ETD Practitioners. It is crucial to get all this information directly from the QCTO!
15th Dec 2016 at 8:30 am #25056
An update on how the registrations are going for the 3 sessions arranged by the QCTO are as follows:
1. GP – 251 booked and confirmed (well done GP Providers – there are only a few seats left – get those registrations confirmed as quick as possible!!)
2. WC – 124 booked and confirmed (the numbers have increased for sure, there is plenty of space, book/register please)
3. KZN – 63 booked and confirmed (a bit of a concern, is there so little Providers in KZN? Please register and get your booking, distribute to all ETD Practitioners, Providers, Learning Material Developers, Assessors and Moderators – if we don’t show a good attendance, it might just be cancelled – this we cannot allow – lets work on getting these numbers up please)
Skills Universe Members, please help me get this distributed, I am one person, I need your support please. Let’s do this as a team effort.
15th Dec 2016 at 9:38 am #25055
19th Dec 2016 at 6:22 am #25054
An update on how the registrations are going for the 3 sessions arranged by the QCTO are as follows:
1. GP – 278 booked and confirmed (well done GP Providers – there are only a few seats left – get those registrations confirmed as quick as possible!!)
2. WC – 149 booked and confirmed (the numbers have increased for sure, there is plenty of space, book/register please)
3. KZN – 74 booked and confirmed (a bit of a concern, is there so little Providers in KZN? Please register and get your booking, distribute to all ETD Practitioners, Providers, Learning Material Developers, Assessors and Moderators – if we don’t show a good attendance, it might just be cancelled – this we cannot allow – lets work on getting these numbers up please)
Skills Universe Members, please help me get this distributed. Let’s do this as a team effort.
20th Dec 2016 at 1:29 pm #25053
21st Dec 2016 at 5:53 am #25052
An update on how the registrations are going for the 3 sessions arranged by the QCTO are as follows:
1. GP – 304 booked and confirmed (76% booked – don’t wait too late)
2. WC – 157 booked and confirmed (40% booked – there is plenty of space left)
3. KZN – 87 booked and confirmed (22% booked – a concern – where is the numbers?)
Skills Universe Members, please help me get this distributed. Yes, it is the holiday season, but these sessions are absolutely crucial. Let’s do this as a team effort. Not all Setas are prepared to assist (for some reason which is not acceptable, as this is information for Providers.) We have to do this as a team effort and support the providers not part of skills universe, please inform them, send them the invitation please.
22nd Dec 2016 at 7:52 am #25051
4th Jan 2017 at 6:14 am #25050
2017 is here! Wishing you all the best for this exciting year! Remember: if you want to go fast, go alone………… but if you want to go far, then let’s do this together! The numbers have really increased in all the provinces, so thank you for those that have registered to ensure secure seats! There are a couple of seats still open, please share with providers that are not on skills universe. This will benefit all of us!
4th Jan 2017 at 9:59 am #25049
Update on Registrations for the Information Sessions that the QCTO will be hosting for us:
Gauteng Session: 27 January 2017 – starts at 09:00 – 343 Registered thus far.
Ekurhuleni East College, Kwa-Thema Campus
Sam Ngema Street
Springs, GP 1560
Western Cape Session: 16 February 2017 – starts at 09:00 – 184 Registered thus far.
Northlink College – Parow Campus
Cape Town, WC 7503
KZN Session: 09 March 2017 – starts at 09:00 – 109 Registered thus far.
Coastal KZN TVET College – Durban Campus
1 Jameson Crescent
Durban, KZN 4013
9th Jan 2017 at 8:57 am #25048
A kind request please. I am receiving calls and emails with instructions to do bookings. Please be advised that you need to book and register for the QCTO sessions by clicking on the link provided, complete the information and ensure you get your ticket. I trust this makes sense.
9th Jan 2017 at 9:13 am #25047
9th Jan 2017 at 12:37 pm #25046
Hello everyone! Please, if there are any providers here that have booked/registered for the QCTO Information session in Gauteng and are no longer wanting their ticket – please forward this to me. I have Providers that are attempting to register, but Gauteng is fully booked (not one seat left). Please forward your ticket to me, if you are not going to attend. There are Providers that unfortunately are too late!!
12th Jan 2017 at 9:52 am #25045
12th Jan 2017 at 10:00 am #25044
Hi Zalia, thnank you for the kind words, it is highly appreciated. Thank you for showing your commitment and that you will be attending. It is such an important information session, and cannot be missed. There are a number of individuals that will not be able to attend as Gauteng is fully booked. We will all work together with notes, minutes and share this on the forum. Together we can achieve success!
12th Jan 2017 at 10:13 am #25043
12th Jan 2017 at 11:33 am #25042
That is great news, thank you Zalia. I am based in Gangsters Paradise, so I will be attending the Gauteng Session. I would have loved to attend the Cape Town and Durban Sessions to evaluate the sessions and compile one full report on the three together – we will be reporting per session – this will at least help the other members that cannot attend (reason for not attending is either the session is fully booked, or the sessions are way out of there boundaries/province). Please take notes, as we will be sharing all our information that we get out of the sessions on the portal!
12th Jan 2017 at 3:13 pm #25041
Urgent and Important Update on QCTO Information Sessions:
Gauteng is fully booked – there is no more seats
Cape Town has gone past the 50% mark, and it is noted that registration for this Session closes on the 3rd February – don’t wait too long, get your registration quickly, print your ticket to avoid disappointment.
KZN – moving towards the 50% mark slowly, the registration to attend the KZN Session closes on the 26th February – again, please don’t wait till it is too late. Book people, please.
We have already received emails from Providers/Employers for the Gauteng Session for more seats – this cannot be done by us. We are only spreading the word of these sessions, as we are all concerned citizens and we want to make a positive change in the education industry. Please Members, there is no cost to book and attend these sessions, the QCTO have arranged all of this for us at no charge. They want to speak to us, yes that’s right. QCTO wants to hear from us, the Providers, Employers, ETD Practitioners – let’s show them our appreciation and get Cape Town and KZN fully booked!!!!!!!
19th Jan 2017 at 8:56 am #25040
Good Day Members,
The following attachments were received from the QCTO! This will be distributed to all Setas, Professional Bodies and Accredited Skills Development Providers for Occupational Qualifications and Nated Report 190/1. I have not gone through this, so any Member willing to go through this and give input or a summary – go for it, it would be appreciated.
19th Jan 2017 at 8:57 am #25039
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23rd Jan 2017 at 11:27 am #25034
Good Day Members, herewith the update on the availability for the Information Sessions that the QCTO will be hosting for us.
Gauteng – this friday: fully booked (there are no seats available).
Cape Town – session will be running on the 16th February – there are only 120 seats left (280 registered/booked and confirmed)
KZN – session will be running on the 9th March – there are 192 seats left (208 registered/booked and confirmed)
If you know of any Providers/Employers/ETD Practitioners in the Cape Town or Durban area, please spread the message – get these venues fully booked – it will benefit all Individuals within the training industry. Let’s make it happen!!
9th Mar 2017 at 5:30 pm #44010
I attended the KZN information session today, and can provide some answers to Lynel’s list of questions. Here goes:
1. Assessors and moderators: no further requirement for units standards training or constituent assessors and moderators; AQPs will appoint the assessors and moderators for the EISA; providers to ensure 25% of all internal/ continuous assessment is moderated by internal processes and people.
2. No short courses or accreditation of short course providers. Short course providers must register as skills development providers if they want accreditation. Course offerings must consist of a substantive combination of Knowledge and Practical modules (that can make up part qualifications). There was mention of a minimum of 25 credits but I am not sure of the details.
3. DHET compulsory registration is required in terms of the Constitution; no answers on the financial sustainability issue e.g. suretyships required by DHET but not necessarily by QCTO who want assurance of financial sustainability e.g. audited financial statements or a proper business plan with budgets and projections, or similar. If qualifications have expired, SDPs are obliged to reregister and list the new qualifications they wish to offer on their application form. The QCTO and DHET will liaise with each other in this regard. Registration and accreditation can be done simultaneously.
4. OHS certificate: heated debate – who is the accredited party – the workplace or the provider? QCTO is saying if on site training is provided, the workplace must be accredited. Caused a lot of unhappiness in the meeting!
5. Learning material: no evaluation or approval by QCTO. It’s a situation where the SDP must ensure that the materials are sufficient to address the curriculum requirements and the proof will be in the EISA as to whether this was done, at the end of the day. The SDP will have to be very careful about buying course material from material developers – in other words each SDP is responsible for its own delivery and what it offers learners. Trends in learner achievements will be monitored, and interventions (even deaccreditation) would be put in place if anything untoward is detected or there is a public complaint about individual providers.
6. RPL – the AQPs are responsible for this and RPL should be designed in compliance with the QCTO RPL policy
Vijayen Naidoo emphasised several times that it is not about compliance any more but about quality.
10th Mar 2017 at 8:32 am #44009
Re point 2 and 4:
What happens to short courses like first aid, SHE Rep etc? You want to tell me to have a SHE rep or someone with First Aid in your workplace they’ll have to do a part qualification now? There was quite a few unhappy people at the Cape Town session about this as well.
My next concern is TETA related learning material and training. Tons of these guys train on single unit standards at the moment. Crane operator, forklift driver, MEWP operator, the list goes on and on. What impact is this going to have on the transport industry?
Re point 5:
I have said this before and I’ll say it again till someone in power listens. This is ridiculous. This will mean if the material wasn’t sufficient, the *learner* will pay for it after years of study, already out of pocket, after failing the EISA. No, no, no!
How the hell do they control “quality” if they do not look at the materials at all? Where is the quality in training if the material is worthless? There are enough fly by night guys out there taking provider’s money, tons of providers cannot afford in house developers because they do not come cheap and the existing, reliable developers have no relationship with the QCTO.
I get very upset about this issue. We are going in the wrong direction here. Slippery slope.
10th Mar 2017 at 9:55 am #44008
Hi Jax, thank you for this, appreciated! Was Mr Thomas Lata also there to present? I am glad that the QCTO informed providers that the DHET application for registration is compulsory – some SETAs are still saying they don’t know about this, which is a major concern. By the time they wake up, it will be too late for their providers to submit, which is unfair.
I have tried my best to reach out to providers, but couldn’t even reach a quarter of providers between all 21 SETAs due to NO provider lists on their websites, or incorrect email addresses.
Running around like a chicken without a head, trying to spread the word, but I am now facing failure to assist – makes me mad!
10th Mar 2017 at 2:07 pm #44007
No, Thomas sent his apologies. You can only do so much, Lynel. Providers also need to be proactive here and keep themselves up to date. QCTO has asked all QAPs for a list of all currently accredited providers and start and expiry dates so I am sure that sooner or later, they will start to communicate with the providers directly. They can’t say they have not had any warning of what is coming esp the DHET registration which is legislated in the Constitution.
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