Concerned Providers Interest Group – QCTO/SAQA/SETA/DHET


Don’t close our doors. Stand up and Say something!

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    Lynel Farrell
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    Careful reading …….. I requested my learning records from SAQA in 2019, and was so surprised that even my Gr12 (Senior Certificate) was recorded on the NLRD. All the Qualifications and Unit Standards through the years were recorded. Every single one of them. And there are more being added, as they are linked to the NQF, they are registered, recognised and bear credits.

    Then, further research has shown me, that should I now register for an Occupational Skills Programme – no credits will be recorded on SAQA at all, as they are not registered on the NQF (they do not have a unique SAQA ID).

    Even though we are currently in the process to appeal the 8 credit stipulation of newly registered occupational skills programmes with a minimum duration of 10 days – the future of occupational skills programmes seems to be of no value whatsoever, as it will not be submitted to SAQA, as they are not registered. Although, it shows the NQF Level and the number of credits against each occupational skills programme listed/registered under the QCTO, the Skills Programme Code and/or Module Codes (knowledge, practical and workplace) codes are not registered with SAQA. It is noted that: The objective is for certified learners to be more likely to secure employment or be more employable. These Skills Programmes can be provided at entry, intermediate, or advanced levels.

    I look at an occupational skills programmed that is registered under the QCTO for 93 credits. So, if you calculate the notional hours, they are 930 hours of learning (knowledge, practical and workplace) – duration : 4 months. Once the learner achieves the skills programme, they get issued an occupational skills certificate, but this will not be recognised by SAQA, as it is not registered at all with SAQA or linked to the NQF.
    Although I read in policy, that a Learner Achievement means the meeting of the requirements for the award of a qualification, part-qualification, skills programme or trade by a learner – in fact, a skills programme will not be recognised by SAQA, the credits will not be placed against the learner’s NLRD record.

    In the past (legacy/historical) unit standards could be accumulated towards the credits that the learner has completed throughout the years, were recognised and carried so much weight, building towards a full qualification (legacy). So there will be no way of accumulating credits with a number of skills programmes towards an occupational qualification? Have you looked into all the policies and changes? Where does this place us in the future, how does this help the disadvantaged learners with building credits?

    Am I missing the value, the benefit to the learner, the employer, the provider? Have I missed an important policy, act, regulation that gives me more clarity? Is credit-bearing, still credit-bearing, if this is not recognised by SAQA?

    Chapter 5 of the Skills Development Act defines a skills programme as “a skills programme that is occupationally based and when completed will constitute/contribute a credit towards a qualification registered on the NQF. But, now I am confused – does it really constitute credits if it is not registered on the NQF? Am I reading this wrong, or have I noticed the chaos this is going to create, once Providers conduct their own research?

    I welcome comments, input and any direction where I have gone wrong or misinterpreted any policy. Its been a long 11 days – reading, searching for answers ………… but I am stuck.

    #90280
    Lynel Farrell
    Keymaster

    And the survey has grown to over 670 submissions – the survey will end on the 18th September at 17:00. For clarity one of the five questions in the survey asks: If short courses – 1 day to 9 days of training get scrapped and no longer approved or accredited, it will ….

    59.8% – stated that they will close down
    36.2% – stated they will downsize and retrench staff

    The results are devastating. Should you support this appeal, please come on board and complete the 5 simple questions, that will take you less than 60 seconds to complete. Every vote, submission needs to be counted for. Thank you, to those that jumped in and completed it. Your participation is appreciated.

    #90327
    Des Squire
    Participant

    I honestly believe that the majority of providers have already given up. For as long as I have been involved with the powers that be at the SETAS, The QCTO, SAQA, Dept., of Higher Education and so on I can honestly say that very little has changes and that very few of those involved actually care what providers think. Nothing has changed where attitudes are concerned and the various bodies involved are and always have been “a law unto themselves”. The opinions of the providers do not matter despite what we might hear to the contrary. Decisions are made and will continue to be made by parties who do not understand and have never been involved in workplace based education and training. The aims and objectives of the NQF have not been met and the entire NQF is a total failure.

    #90394
    Lynel Farrell
    Keymaster

    Hi Des,
    I know that you think that majority of providers have given up, but I still want to carry on, with those who want to keep their heads above water. Yes, it is survival, yes some have given up. I am not ready to give up yet. There should be something that can be done, it just takes a lot of time and effort to get there. Don’t give up.

    #90395
    Lynel Farrell
    Keymaster

    Dear Provider, ETD Practitioner, Assessor, Moderator, Employer.

    It is understood that short programmes that are less than 2 full weeks (8 credits) will not be registered or considered for accreditation under the QCTO. If this will affect your business or your income going forward, please participate in this 30 second survey (5 questions), so that we can appeal this stipulation.

    The question to ask here is: Should short programmes (less than two weeks) be scrapped of being recognised and opened to bogus providers, as they do not need to comply with any requirements, which will disadvantage learners?

    Note, that no Occupational Skills Programme currently is registered with SAQA, which means that the learner credits are not being accumulated on the NLRD.

    We want to appeal that all future skills programmes be registered with SAQA, so that learners can build on their learner records, as short accredited programmes are important to the learner, and so is the recognition thereof. The survey will show the impact on providers, employers and ETD Practitioners.

    The appeal is to request for consideration on behalf of all providers that are running accredited short programmes to be able to register them under the QCTO with no limit to the number of days, nor the number of credits. That they will be linked to occupational qualifications – especially for learners that cannot afford a full qualification. We want to appeal that all “occupational” short programmes will be registered and recognised by SAQA.

    Some Short-accredited programs include, but not limited to:
    First Aid,
    SHE Rep,
    Basic Firefighting,
    Convey dangerous goods by road,
    Safety and maintenance of firearms,
    Debate an issue using S.A sign language,
    Analyse external factors influencing people who have special needs,
    Apply neighbourhood watch principles,
    Apply the COID Act in mediation,
    Care for sick and orphan foals,
    Clean food production areas and equipment,
    Working at heights
    Administer family law matters,
    Assess and control pollution,
    Demonstrate an understanding of gender violence

    It is impossible to list them all, and they are all important. If you have not completed the survey, please come on board!

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCHJB1y7-R2kiRhseluc78QC52oWegHx_uhvE6mViaGwDcPA/viewform?usp=sf_link

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