SCAM ALERT!!!EXCEEDSKILLS


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This topic contains 126 replies, has 25 voices, and was last updated by  Fiona de Beer Nel 2 years, 2 months ago.

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  • #42657

    Graeme Lategan
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    Hi All – LAST YEAR  late we picked up an ad on SKILLS UNIVERSE – for a company EXCEEDSKILLS.

    They were selling OTDEP program at a good rate – naturally we jumped..in the haste we did not actually check their accreditation and company status – Simply put – you pay – they send an online link – you connect and you have a decent looking site – where you can do the program..The material is real and according to SETA. 

    Alarm bells went off when I picked up that an activity deadline was due – before the preceding tasks –

    It was then that I looked closer and found nothing linking the material to a legitimate provider –

    I have traced them a bit – but addresses are false – numbers dont exists and I even found a Facebook page – which is fake – The material seems to have been purchased and merely resold – since the price is so good – there is no way they could not get a response and cash in…I traced another buyer who has had a few company executives taken in the scam…Apparently the OWNER OF exceedskills- JACO BLOM had a heart attack – but nothing further – FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS have led more to a developing country wide scam involving other people – In one case a person associated with EXCEEDSKILLS was working with a company in CAPE TOWN – he has disappeared – Gone – the company has nothing on him – so they say.

    I have activated some tracers on the company – I will find them – Please send out an ALERT to every member across all groups.  THANKS 

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  • #42759

    I hope you get them Graeme. Keep me updated?

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  • #42758

    Cleo Black
    Participant

    Another group of fly-by-nights preying on clients and using low prices as bait. I do have to encourage training providers who are purchasing material to not be fooled by a low price. Stick with developers who have a proven track record and material that stands up to the accreditation process and don’t be afraid to ask questions before hand!

    Graeme, I would be happy to offer you a discounted rate on the material you are looking for to hopefully minimize your losses. If you could just provide me with the qualification number I will be happy to send you a quote, the curriculum and some samples.

    Cleo Black

    SmartScript

    072 037 4134

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  • #42757

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Flippen ********** (oh I am swearing now in 50 different languages) what, agge no man!!  Time to report them, JC1 group – please ensure that this person/company is on radar – will report this to the DHET – let SAQA place these names in the public domain as bogus – I hate seeing this.  Graeme, I am so very sorry – I wish I could take this terrible experience away from you.  A complete loss for words.  Dammit man, why, why, why

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  • #42756

    If you find this guy im looking for him. He got me good!!! R5600 he got out of me.

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  • #42755

    Like Cleo, I too would be happy to give you a quote for the materials. You have seen a sample of my work.

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  • #42754

    Andrea Kellett
    Participant

    Hi Graeme,

    I’m sorry to hear your story. I may know how to reach Jaco Blom – send me an email and I’ll send you the details I have andrea@thrive.co.za.

    Andrea

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  • #42753

    TRACEY MCLENNAN
    Participant

    Is it possible to have a list of material development companies that are bogus (if there is enough evidence) also as training providers could we not ask for endorsements from Skills Universe before we buy material.  I always ask for references but they could be false as there is no way I can really check.  We have all bought material and had a few hiccups but if the developer is able to assist, that’s fine, so I would not like people to name and shame everyone, but these real culprits do need to be identified.

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  • #42752

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    With you Celeste, I want to break his bones!  And then place this on Skills Universe for everyone to see.  This is so wrong – how does this person sleep at night?  Absolutely disgusting man.

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  • #42751

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    What???????  No man, this is getting bad.  I am sorry Belinda

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  • #42750

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Tracey, we wanted to place this on Skills Universe, but was advised against this.  We might have to name and shame in private, but I know that JC1 is working on a possible page to include this for providers, but we are seeking legal advise first before we publish this.

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  • #42749

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    I think I want this address too

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  • #42748

    Zelda Rose
    Participant

    Graeme

    Thank you for posting this alert.

    As material developers, Helene and I get these issues raised weekly.  It is such a shame that there must be such people in our trade.  It would be great if there was a way to name and shame the scammers

    Gemini Training Material

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  • #42747

    Hi Graeme, I am sorry to hear about your experience.  There are so many fly-by-nights or people that aren’t ethical in the training industry.  I have had a few let’s call them “challenging experiences” and one was also with a material development company in Parklands Cape Town many years ago.  I paid for a full qualification and I didn’t receive the full set, as they were developing it bit by bit.

    I hope that you find them.

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  • #42746

    Lyne we have all been complaining about these buggers for too long now. Every providers’ image and reputation relies heavily on the materials they use and yet that is the most unregulated!

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  • #42745

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    will give it anytime but trust me – I am not one of those guys to let it go I will hunt you –

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  • #42744

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    info@graemelategan.com – thanks

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  • #42743

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    I will

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  • #42742

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    it happens – normally I am sharp but oh well – 

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  • #42741

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    I will find him trust me

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  • #42740

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    you are superb Celest

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  • #42739

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    thanks we will chat

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  • #42738

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    I think IQSkills Academy does the same thing. I also think they purchase material from other providers and then resell it. I am working with a company that is applying for accreditation and I picked up multiple mistakes in the material, and has been stalking the owner Cremo now for almost 2 months to make amendments. But everytime a new excuse. So in my opinion if you were the developer you would have been able to make the amendments in 2 days tops.

    But if I am wrong about this I am sorry. If you are not willing to send an SLA then that also makes me suspiciuos

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  • #42737

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Hi Zelda, this is serious.  Please could you forward me any information and evidence that you have picked up thus far.  I have a register that I am working on, and are in the process of creating a page on our website of bogus providers, developers and consultants.  Just getting legal advise first before posting this in the public domain.  We need to protect each other.

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  • #42736

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Fiona, we need to work closely together on these issues to protect providers and reputable developers as well as consultants.  I was asked two days ago, to give evidence that I am not a dishonest bogus consultant, it was absolutely terrible for me.  I have never been dishonest, and have been fighting for providers (not against providers or hurting them) – these bogus people are hurting those whom have worked many years to get some kind of respect and a place in this industry – now we are all labelled as bogus – it is killing me at the moment, believe me

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  • #42735

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    I hear you Celeste, and my heart goes out to all providers that is faced with this – it is really hard to take this in – I don’t understand how these people cannot be caught and given prison time.  How do we protect each other?  How do you recover the costs?  I want to jump in and do something, but I don’t know what to do to help.  Oh Lord help me to help those (not sure how, but we really need to look at this, protect one another, let each other know immediately, share this with newbies to make sure they don’t fall under this trap.  This is painful.

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  • #42734

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    oh yes – but the issue is this has never gone public – now it will – simply lodge a case of fraud against them

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  • #42733

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    I agree, but I must also add, that providers should avoid just trying to purchase the cheapest stuff on the market, because that is how this kind of thing is happening. I think one should protect your industry and our expertise.

    For instance I am a qualified psychometrist, and to hear other psychometrists are testing people for R30. I mean that is just a slap in the face for my profession. So in afrikaans die deeler is so goed soos die steeler.

    I do understand we all need to make a living and we try to cut budgets and all, but really are we not firing these people by supporting them in buying cheap stuff?

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  • #42732

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    I am making progress – the trail involves many people – many many many – you will all see fireworks

     

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  • #42731

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Ready to see the fireworks, standing by you!  I don’t know how to assist you, but I am ready to stand behind you all the way Graeme.

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  • #42730

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Agree.  Well Fiona,  I am not at my best, when I see that providers have to suffer.  I want to physically attack these people.  This is such a competitive industry, and seriously cut-throat.  I agree, we need to stand together, help one another in these times whether you are competition or not.  it is something we need to learn, to work together and take a stand.  We will get this right, but this takes time, lots of efforts.  I care a lot for providers and the learners is my top priority in life.  We can make a difference, but then we need to stand together on this.  Not an easy task, but I believe it is possible.  What Graeme is going through and others are not acceptable, and we need to get to the bottom of this quickly before it is too late.

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  • #42729

    Kate Sani
    Participant

    Dear Graeme, sorry to hear of this. Your experience drives home how critical it is to check that ‘training providers’ are really accredited, and have accreditation for the learning programme they are offering. I urge you to contact the ETDP SETA and check on their accreditation status and report your experience. 

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  • #42728

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Hi Kate, this is so big at the moment.  How do we stop this?  These fraudulent people are just becoming more by the day.  How do we protect each other?  Where do providers go?  What do you suggest?

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  • #42727

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    Hi Kate, I have checked out this company I was referring to and they are accredited. But my question then is, how did they get that material through accreditation. That is very scary. It makes me feel it is a who knows who game or a bribary, as I have gone through numerous accreditations and I can tell you now the seta would not have accepted that material. This was one of his excuses that he is accredited, and I said to him it does not matter as that does not change the state of your material. No alignment matix … am mean really is there any seta that excepts this?

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  • #42726

    Arlene Walsh
    Participant

    Scadenfreude!

    We have been scammed by Maria Singh who sold us numeracy materials, requiring payment upfront. When we received the materials, we put them through a plagiarism checker and they are …. you guessed it …. a hasty mish mash of plagiarised stuff from the internet. Maria has disconnected her cell phone and does not answer emails.

    I spoke to somepne who had supplied a reference, which it turns out was two years old …. she has done a similar thing to him and to another provider . What can be doe about this kind of practice? 

    I am not afraid to reveal her name as we have evidence of the plagiarism.

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  • #42725

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Wow!!!!!!!  Arlene, if you have any additional information on these scammers, please could you email this to me.  I have a file that I have created called:  Bogus/Shenanigans – and I try to keep this updated all the time.  We have caught out various bogus individuals (but clearly not all).  As they start coming along, I add them to the list. 

    A plagirism scanner ……………… wow, now that is something that the SETAs should have for sure.  I don’t believe that any SETA has such a system (as there is nothing in place, nor regulated or documented in a policy form) which can protect providers.  This is an exellent way of getting rid of a lot of plagiarism, wow!!  So there is a solution, maybe we could suggest this to the QCTO?

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  • #42724

    Tando Qeqe
    Participant

    Lynel What

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  • #42723

    Eduard Rabie
    Participant

    We also had an encounter with Mr Blom… He use to work for Thrive, the company that assisted us with our initial accreditation. But he left there under a dark cloud… He then started a bogus company called Exeed. He tried tosacam us out of R30 000+. Luckily we pulled out

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  • #42722

    Ingrid van Heerden
    Participant

    Jaco Blom’s destructive stint at Thrive lasted 2 months. Plagiarism is only one of his dirty tricks. Truth eventually comes to light, thankfully as it is now exposed on this platform. 

    If you have any further information on him, Eduard, we would be glad for you to share either here or to me on ingrid@thrive.co.za

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  • #42721

    Lizeth de Villiers
    Participant

    Graeme, I can vouch for SmartScript and their quality of material as well as their customer service. I am  probably one of Cleo’s most annoying customers ( if not the single most annoying hehehe) and I have purchased numerous Unit Standard aligned courses from them over the past 3 years. The ones that are accredited has a chain of evidence attached to it and if the material is not accredited they are honest about it and do not try to mislead their customers or make false claims.

    Give them a try, I promise you, you will never use another supplier for your material and the prices are excellent.

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  • #42720

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    Thanks Lizeth – I KNOW SMARTSCRIPT WELL – wITH OUT THEM KNOWING i HAVE MODERATD 4 OF THEIR     program this month – for their clients – Their material is outstanding – I dont buy material I instead broker the deals and then do the Assessment or moderation – but they are good Thanks

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  • #42719

    Lizeth de Villiers
    Participant

    Awesome!! 🙂

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  • #42718

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Ingrid,

    There is a Joco Blom registered on LinedIn – might be the same person. I get the impression he might be in the UAE 

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  • #42717

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    dont think its the same guy – but i am waiting for a pic des

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  • #42716

    Andre Du Toit
    Participant

    Hi Graeme,

    If you know who these guys bank with, then go to their bank, any branch and report this as a scam, they will immediately block their account. At least they wont be able to collect more money. The bank will however not release any FICA information, for this you need a court order.

    I have search their domain name and found all the info for this Jaco Blom character, his cell no, even his home address, so send me a mail and I will forward it, not sure if I can publish it here.

    If you email the domain registrar they will suspend their website.

    If any body else wants the info contact me on empireacadamy@gmail.com

    Hope this helps

    Andre

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  • #42715

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Graeme,

    Did you every actually meet this Jaco Blom?  I find that most of these scam artists are very careful not to expose themselves too much so that there is little chance of tracking them down.  Just one of the little hints when dealing with these people, if they do not have easily accessible backgrounds and information, avoid!

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  • #42714

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    You guys are probably sick of me going on and on about this, but THIS is why I told the QCTO that there is a feeling of DESPERATION in the market for them to work with learning material developers.

    I am aware of a few developers out there, charging bottom bargain prices and the material is not worth the paper it’s written on.

    This creates distrust between developers and providers and ultimately it is the learner who pays for it all because the provider can’t train with the nonsense sold to them.

    This is also where I would like to give TETa some praise. They know our learning material very well after a long standing relationship, and when our material gets to them without a PDF letter of purchase from SmartScript, they contact us immediately.

    They are the only SETA who builds a relationship with developers which is great and it has helped us and our clients tremendously!

    We HAVE to get some sort of system in place for developers. A database of legit registered companies. Even better, wouldn’t it be fantastic if the SETAs and QCTO accredit learning material? It just makes sense….

    What is currently happening from a developer’s point of view, is endless time and resources wasted by the SETAs re-evaluating the same learning material a thousand times over; when they could just build a relationship with developers, evaluate our material and we sell it as accredited. No more problems for the provider, no more distrust, no more fly by night operators…

    It would be a dream come true for me as a developer and I’m sure providers would be quite happy with a system like that as well.

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  • #42713

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Well now we know 🙂

    Glad you were happy with the quality of the material. We really do try.

    We often get enquiries for moderators. It would be great if you could send me your details so I can refer our clients to you.

    My email address:

    pamela@smartscript.co.za

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  • #42712

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Thanks for the kind words Liz!!!

    It’s wonderful to get good feedback from our clients.

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  • #42711

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hey Arlene,

    If the mail I received a month ago is genuine, Maria has relocated to Portugal and was offering the rights to all her “products” for R80 000.00!!?? I can forward the mail if you need contact details.

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  • #42710

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    nope but we conversed – But we are hot on his trail – he had many accossiates who are un aware that we are closing in – they will spill the beans – to save their assess – trust me – I did this for a living…

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  • #42709

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    Thanks Andre – but those numbers and addresses are not active – We have established that already – We are busy with the bank at this minute – its a matter of time – but trust me me we are closing in

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  • #42708

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    Hi Pam – thanks but lets be clear its not a material supplier with reputation that is at at stake – Its the people who buy it from them posing as a training provider – but then resells that as a legitimate provider – What we need is credential forum or association away from setas and qcto – this is not a seta problem either – it was a hasty oversight – and more so Training has become so expensive that it is a luxury – so it goes without saying that we are looking to save money somewhere – The problem is that our industry as a whole is unregulated – pricewise – There are many reputable providers and material suppliers out there running special prices on their product – how do you have the time to tell

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  • #42707

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Is this him?

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  • #42706

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Pamela,

    Couldn’t agree more!  The TETA system, while still needing some refining to accommodate the context of our work, is probably the best way to deal with these issues.  Unfortunately they slip a little with the evaluation of learning material by contracting people with little SME in the materials they are “evaluating” or even worse, expose our materials to “competitor” developers who have no compunction in thus expanding their own offerings!

    I have never understood the need for material to be constantly re-evaluated, mainly because there is no consistency in the “evaluators” approach and processes.  Each time a different person “evaluates” there are new and inconsistent comments, many of which are irrelevant or illegal, particularly in terms of the regulated fields in which SME is essential for evaluation.

    I still believe that we should look at establishing a Professional Body for Learning Material Developers, with the possibility of establishing set criteria and guidelines to which we can all agree and subscribe. According to the SAQA Guidelines “The recognition of professional bodies will contribute to strengthening social responsiveness and accountability within professions and promoting pride in association for all professions.”  Sounds like what we need?

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  • #42705

    Arlene Walsh
    Participant

    Thank you. I would like to do something towards making her accountable. When I think of the consequences for my company if we had not been scrupulous about checking the material – I shudder. 

    We are perfectly capable of preparing the work ourselves but simply had a time crunch. The whole episode meant that we had to re-negotiate delivery dates with the client – something we do not like to do.

    So please send me the information. 

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  • #42704

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Agreed Graeme, and the unfortunate part is that these underhanded tactics are forcing the reputable developers to lower prices to stay alive.  I have on two occasions with two different providers had to bludgeon refunds out of these scam artists for “material” that was clearly below standard or “resold” as their own.  The unfortunate part is that these providers, without my intervention, would have happily carried on and used these materials, only to discover at the moderation stage that the material was worthless!  And what about the Learners?

    While I understand the standpoint of QCTO regarding Learning Materials, and am reasonably irritated with inconsistent and flawed SETA processes for approving Learning Material, like most things, we need to look after ourselves, hence the suggestion of a SAQA registered Professional Body.

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  • #42703

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Will do, shall I send it to the Intelesi info address?

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  • #42702

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    Hi Des – yes that him you were right – it is linkin pic just traced it

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  • #42701

    Arlene Walsh
    Participant

    yes, don’t mind revealing it here in case … arlene@intelesi.co.za

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  • #42700

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    I know for a fact that there are “developers” out there who sell our (SmartScript) learning material without our permission or knowledge.  We’ve even caught training providers doing it. 

    One of these have received lawyers letters from us to cease and desist and yet, this guy is still marketing the copies of our material that he has.  Next step is an interdict.  

    There are a few others as well but investigation is ongoing so I can’t name them just yet.  

    This makes me SO angry!!! Developers work hard, really hard, trying to ensure all the SETA requirements and millions of forms are included, alignments done correctly and most importantly, the content of the learning material and then others come along and just pick the fruit of our labor.  

    And yes, you are quite right.  If that is your learning material that you developed, you’ll know exactly what is going on in it and can do the remedial.  

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  • #42699

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    Hi Graeme,

    This is atrocious to say the least. I am currently trying to get a resolution for materials for unit standards that I received, incomplete, 6 weeks after I paid for them.

    The materials are sub-standard and definitely not compliant and are “copied and pasted” from various sources on the internet (including other countries). The materials developer obviously has no cue about the subject matter!

    When I raised the issue of copyright infringements with the supplier and requested a full refund due to the content and copyright infringements, I was told the following:

     

    “Good day and thank
    you for your feedback, as per learning material terms and conditions we cannot
    consider to refund at this point, the learning material will be taken in for
    review as per comments and be re-worked on to meet the client’s expectation
    within 14 days from today. New reworked material will be forwarded to you via
    dropbox. Should the remedial action not meet Seta standards a full report will
    be required from the seta moderator responsible, our refund policy will be
    followed thereafter.”

     

    We are fully aware that the materials are not suitable and will not pass inspection and all this is going to do is delay the accreditation process by at least a further 6 months (if we’re lucky) as it is an ETDP SETA application.

    What are the repercussions of “naming and shaming” these so-called materials developers?

    This is unfortunately not the first time this as happened to me.

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  • #42698

    Kerrin Badham
    Participant

    Please share the website etc and Facebook page so that we can avoid them.  Wish there was a way to blacklist such businesses.

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  • #42697

    Tando Qeqe
    Participant

    Thank you,Graeme for opening up the Pandora box.

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  • #42696

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Rene,
    This sounds very much along the same lines as the two scam artists I dealt with previously, like a bit of deja vu! I would very much like to encounter this lot again. Those terms are unacceptable, you have every right to demand a refund for a product that is clearly defective. As a matter of interest, were these learning material terms and conditions available when you urchased the materials?

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  • #42695

    Lizeth de Villiers
    Participant

    Only a pleasure Pam! You and Narina (Rest her precious soul) showed me such kindness after I got ripped off by another company and your materials truly are of a very high standard. I will NEVER use another material developer (no disrespect to others developers!!) I know the quality of the materials and level of service from SmartScript so I will just stick with you 🙂

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  • #42694

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    Hi Nigel,

    No, they were not given to me. Only after my complaint.

     

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  • #42693

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    Hi All,

    I can also highly recommend Smartscript. They are true professionals and their quality is of the best.

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  • #42692

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Thanks Renee & Liz!

    You guys are making our day 🙂

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  • #42691

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Its a huge pleasure Liz! We do what we can to help 🙂

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  • #42690

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Hi Graeme, from what I can establish he is working in Dubai for the Emirates Group.

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  • #42689

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    And it goes something like:  Wait a second, let me catch my breath.  Remind me how it feels to hear your voice, anywhere, anytime – I would do anything for you!  And so we start standing together, with such a loud voice, helping one another, showing that we care.

    Graeme and all members that have placed comments/compliments – wow, you guys rock!  This is what we are all about!  Graeme, you get such a big high 5 from me today!!  With every bad experience, we learn how to support each other.  Another day making history on Skills Universe.  This is how we roll!!!!!!

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  • #42688

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    agreed

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  • #42687

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    and it wont stop – but at least I have raised a @#$##@storm – so now we are alert

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  • #42686

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    my pleasure – i am a regular storm in a tea cup but rest assured when I get them – it wont be so mild – we are close –

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  • #42685

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    there is…but wait….just a while soon all revealed – this has since revealed a huge cartel in south africa – and abroad

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  • #42684

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Hi again Graeme, I think it’s all part of a bigger problem.

    Whether we are regulated by an association away from the SETAs/QCTO or by them, I really feel we need some regulation, URGENTLY. My reason for wanting to work through the SETAs and QCTO is so we, as developers can guarantee that our material is up to their standards. Especially when it comes to Services who changes the goal post very often. That way, we are always up to date with their newest requirements, also if the material is already accredited our clients wont suffer months of waiting for the evaluations.

    Regarding pricing… I can tell you from my experience over the last 10/15 years, it costs the developer nothing less than R60 000 – R80 000 to develop a good quality qualification. This includes research, subject matter experts, admin people to ensure that all SETA requirements (forms from here to kingdom come) is covered in the material, admin people to do alignment matrices and then your curriculum design specialist (aka developer) and those don’t come cheap either. This does not include the sales staff, HR staff salaries, hardware such as laptops etc (general business expenses). It’s just writing the material.

    Many years ago, we used to charge R60 000 for a custom/tailored set of material but we had to change with the times during the recession and start designing our material so it is suitable for use by multiple companies/providers, which enabled us to bring our prices down. The next time we brought our prices down, was in an effort to push these fly by night guys out of the market. We’ve had some success but as you can see, some of these guys are just adjusting their prices to stay below ours, with nothing to lose since their expenses are minimal. It has become an evil cycle.

    We go lower, they go lower. We are at a point now where we cannot possibly go any lower without closing our doors, which I’m not willing to do after pouring blood, sweat and tears into the industry and our business over 15 years. We now rely on our reputation, marketing and word of mouth.

    I have no idea how to attack this problem anymore, other than a regulatory body which is an uphill battle on it’s own. Who determines who is registered, what is required etc? QCTO for example, simply put their hands in the air and said “it’s not part of our mandate”. This includes evaluation of learning material.

    Petition the minister perhaps?

    I would really love input from as many people as possible on this. The sooner we take this thing on, the better for everyone I think.

    I want to cry for developers who lose money to these guys and feel even worse for the potential learner who is losing out on training. 

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  • #42683

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Perhaps I should request this now before anyone else does.  Graeme, if I need a bodyguard, are you available?

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  • #42682

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    Glad I help – JUST IN!!! the investigation has revealed – a huge cartel operating – Nursery schools – some academic institutions –  TVET college staff – Companies in CT – JHB – and some overseas – some associates to this TWAT – have just disappeared – I mean like body disappeared – probably in a shallow grave somewhere – ITS A MASSIVE UNCOVERING – The matter is scary – front companies – BRIBES – and payoffs – STAY TUNED

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  • #42676

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

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  • #42675

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    AT A PRICE – 

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  • #42674

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    WELL THAT IS THE TRUTH – it sounds like a mountain in an already frustrated system – Someone will champion this – I might give t a bash..

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  • #42673

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Wow! I’m shocked.

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  • #42672

    Eduard Rabie
    Participant

    Let’s name and shame – here is his banking details that he had on an invoice sent to us. Luckily we never paid him…

    Account Name: Jaco Blom
    Branch Code: 051001
    Account Number: 280524188
    Account Type: Cheque

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  • #42671

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT NUMBER – BUT THANKS – i HAVE ADDED THIS TO THE BRIEF – GIVEN TO MY YAKUZA CONNECTIONS 

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  • #42670

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA – I HAVE MORE BUT ITS WITH AN INVESTIGATION MILITARY EXPERT – SO CANT SHOW  

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  • #42669

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    TRUST ME – I WILL CATCH HIM

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  • #42668

    Rudy Maritz
    Participant
    Jaco Blom
    Street: 658 van dalen road
    City: Johannesburg
    Postal Code: 0125
    Country: ZA
    Phone: +27.614563907
    Email: email@exceedsd.com
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  • #42667

    Rudy Maritz
    Participant

    Here is some more information

    Enterprise Number

    2016 / 321205 / 07
    Enterprise Name EXCEED SKILLS
    Enterprise Type Private Company
    Enterprise Status In Business
    Compliance Status COMPLIANT
    Registration Date 2016-07-26
    PHYSICAL ADDRESS:
    9 BERETTA STREET
    WILGEHEUWEL
    WILGEHEUWEL
    GAUTENG
    0175
    POSTAL ADDRESS:
    9 BERETTA STREET
    WILGEHEUWEL
    WILGEHEUWEL
    GAUTENG
    0175

    Registered Directors / Members
    ID / Passport Number Name(s) Surname Type Status
    880609 XXXX 08 X JACO BLOM Director Active
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  • #42666

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Yes, I know I am expensive, but we can negotiate. lol

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  • #42665

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Graeme,

    Between Jhb and Pretoria I have encountered at least 8 different “sources” of learning material that has a marked similarity, and I know of 2 distinct groups that could be linked.  There is one that has been operating in Sinoville, Pretoria for well over 4 years now.

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  • #42664

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    hI nIGEL – YES WE HAVE A link somewhere involving the name – SINOVILLE – SOME of his associates are operating from there – it appears to be a school of some sorts – my investigators are checking it out  

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  • #42663

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    look forward to the negotiations

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  • #42662

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    hi rudy –this is cool thanks – we have different addresses – but these are new – also would love to get a complete id number – the net is closing in….info@graemelategan.com

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  • #42661

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    They work under 2 company names, NSA Consulting and BBT Institute.  Apparently they work under the “accreditation” of BBT Institute, but the accreditation letters for both ETDP and LGSETA on the webpage have expired.  There is a white lady and an ex ETQA Practitioner that I have linked to them as well.

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  • #42660

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Hi Graeme, Sent you a message earlier. He is apparently working for the Emirates Group and based in Dubai.

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  • #42659

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    i see that but that only makes it easier for us – we are currently engaging the company to track him if that is indeed the case – easier because they will detain him on fraud charges – and that would basically be the end of him – but at this time we are in drone mode –  

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  • #42658

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    ON A LIGHTER NOTE – received fantastic service from CATHSETA – I received my Assessor and Moderator Accreditation from CATHSETA – in record time – less than 2 weeks – Registered for a RECORD 38 FULL QUALIFICATIONS – and added this to my portfolio – Thanks guys for outstanding service – WOW!!  

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  • #43950

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    These are the same crown that I am trying to get  my money back from as we speak.!

     

    I will lay a charge of fraud against him!! Anyone interested in a Class Action against him?

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  • #43949

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    Pamela,

    I am, and have been an avid supporter of your product since I have been in operation, and after being bitten by going the “cheaper alternative” route, will continue to support you.

    My only problem arises when you don’t have the materials that I’m looking for….as in my last case.

    I have gotten to the point of having to refuse business or try to convince a client to change direction if I can’t source materials from you.

    I do have one other materials supplier, but the proof of their materials will only be tasted in either a pre-assessment moderation exercise prior to submission (and after payment in full for materials), or at the point of accreditation evaluation.

    There is a large market for your service and product excellency Pamela. Keep up the excellent work. We appreciate Smartscript!!!

     

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  • #43948

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    I’ll be right there next to you. It’s time someone takes this on I think. Might as well be us

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  • #43947

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Thanks Renee!

    It’s really, really great to hear that you are this happy with our services!

    We’re expanding our field into Agri at the moment, so hopefully that helps you bit 🙂
    We’re nearly done with our first QCTO qualification as well.

    Please, you must not hesitate to let us know when you’re looking for something we dont have. It helps us “keep our finger on the pulse” of what’s going on out there and what people need.

    It’s been a real pleasure working with you!

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  • #43946

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    I will certainly do that Pamela. Thank you!

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  • #43945

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Nigel, How about we put our feelers out and get a panel together?

    Once we have that going, we can try register it as a body to regulate material/developers, by industry experts.It’s just a thought I’m throwing out there.

    I feel sitting around, waiting, asking and begging the SETAs/QCTO/GOV to step in isn’t going to accomplish much. We’ve been doing it for years. Best predictor of the future is the past.

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  • #43944

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Wow, that is record time! Great stuff 

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  • #43943

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    Fantastic idea

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  • #43942

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Somewhere, we started having this discussion.  We started talking about this and correct me if I am wrong – the name of such institution we even thought of was the FFS Institution (in memory of Narina) – Nigel I cannot remember under which discussion this was unfortunately – but then it stopped (or my internet connection was hi-jacked again by gremlins). 

    Pamela you are 100% correct.  This industry needs an institution that will look after providers, developers and ETD practitioners (all in one) as they all play a part in each others lives – and there is a big need for this for sure!

    Okay, back to my quiet place fighting gremlins for the next couple of hours!

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  • #43941

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    We spoke about it on the Cape Town QCTO discussion… 

    I’m serious though. I’d love to get a panel going but can’t do it alone.   We’ll have to stick together if something like that will ever really work.  

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  • #43940

    Lynel Farrell
    Participant

    Pamela, you are right – that’s it.  It was with the QCTO Cape Town Session discussion – I really appreciate your memory!!!  It cannot be done by one person, it will never work, it must be a panel that has passion for providers and will go the extra mile and beyond. 

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  • #43939

    sylvia hammond
    Keymaster

    Hi Nigel, Fiona, Lynel, Renee and Pam,

    Why don’t you put together a single page of what you think the organisation would look like, and do and why necessary.

    I will undertake to distribute it to all members and via Skills Portal – much more readers than we have here.  

    We ask for interest. Once we see the level of interest then you can decide what to do next.

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  • #43938

    Tass Schwab
    Participant

    Thank you for this! I am firmly in your shoes. Read my blog about buying material please? It highlights the fact that cheap should be ringing alarm bells. May they find their exact Karma returning to them!

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  • #43937

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    Well firstly I think this organisation should hold and update a list of identified scam companies. This will be decided after a set of investigative criteria are met, and not just assumption. Like what Graeme is doing. Conducting intensive investigation. Maybe going as far as possibly visiting the provider since as mention during this discussion that they are very reluctant to show their “face”.

    Secondly a panel of experts should be able to determine if the material is really of poor quality or insuffiently developed. As a informed decision should be made because flagging providers as a scam can cause havoc or even legal action.

    A service offered by this organisation can be:

    • A skills provider can contact the organisation to review this material to determine sufficiency.
    • The organisation can be a reference to skill providers of what companies are valid to use: almost like a yellow pages for legitimate material providers
    • Or they can also provide trusted material at a reasonable price. Open to customisation and then the organisation gets in the material writers
    • The organisation can also build a pool of trusted material developers that can be referred to depending on the need of the skills provider

    Well I think roughly that is what I think

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  • #43936

    Tando Qeqe
    Participant

    I agree fully with you Fiona ,on setting up that structure, just to add on. The same is possible happening with bogus Training Providers/Assessors/Moderators,or it can easily start up with them as well as the vacuum will be created in other avenues,if it hasn’t started. Lets remember SCAMMERS are opportunistic,most probably will venture in spaces with few people as we have experienced with LMDs,compared to big groups.

    Factually,the common denominator here is the cheap costing across business sectors,therefore,it affects all in sundry. In my case,I offer all those afore-mentioned services. Therefore,I’m at risk in all.

    Lets pull together all people.

    Lets roll our sleeves and tighten up regulation. Of course,we have Graeme to help us with his investigative skills as CCFO-Critical Cross Functional Outcomes.joke Graeme.

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  • #43935

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Sylvia,

    I think that may be an excellent idea.  I shall do a little consulting with my compatriots to confirm the intention and then send through to you.

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  • #43934

    Arlene Walsh
    Participant

    I might like to be involved as the issue of plagiarised materials impacting on reputation is a grave one. People need to be brought to book.

    Please keep me in the loop.

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  • #43933

    Pamela Huygen
    Participant

    Sounds like a plan to me!

    I am overjoyed this morning that something is finally happening.

    All of you have my email address. Let’s get this ball rolling!

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  • #43932

    Eduard Rabie
    Participant

    Last time I spoke to Mr Blom – He indicated that he was moving to the Hartbeespoort area. That was last year around June / July

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  • #43931

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    at least we can laugh T- MAN

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  • #43930

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    THIS HELPS – THANKS ED – 

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  • #43929

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    NEWSFLASH – NEWS FLASH – I got a suspect email today – see attached – Obviously somebody is alerted – 

    Good day Graeme,

     How are the studies going?

     Regards

     Lucky

     ———————————————————————

    This is a copy of a message sent to you at “Exceed”. Go to

    I responded but – quiet –

    SO TO YOU I SAY – PLEASE ENSURE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE MEDICAL COVER – YOUR IP ADDRESS IS BEING DRONED –   

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  • #43928

    Fiona de Beer Nel
    Participant

    Hehe Graeme, I myself got an email to remove my comments

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    • #59544

      Fiona de Beer Nel
      Participant

      I just wanted to add my follow up here, since the provider told me to remove my comments on this forum about his company.

      He, Cremo Vengay, demanded a meeting after I have identified him NOT as being the author of the material sold to my client. And him taking 2 months to make amendments to the materials, and that we STILL dont have. I indicated that I have no interest in meeting him as the only thing I want is the amendments and if this was his material it would have taken him less than a week to fix. On multiple excuses why the amendments are not made, I agreed to a meeting, upon his words that I will be suprised.

      So guess what, SURPRISE, Who is a NO SHOW.

      So to all please be aware of purchasing materials from IQSkills Academy – they are selling materials that they did not develop and that does not comply with the SETA requirements. So dont step into this trap

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  • #43927

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    I almost cursed…. WOW Graeme!

    I think we should establish a regulatory body….

     

    Perhaps we should set up a meeting/conference with interested stakeholders. I would be happy to organise.

    Your thoughts please all…

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  • #43926

    Renee’ McGibbon
    Participant

    Hi Sylvia,

    Just seen your post. I will do so.

    Thank you.

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  • #43925

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    Hi Renee,

    Sent you a mail with the outline for Sylvia, to review.

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  • #43924

    Graeme Lategan
    Participant

    lol – pressure is on – I DONT SCARE THAT EASY – 

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  • #43923

    Nigel Shipston
    Participant

    These tactics are nothing but confirmation of guilt.  Innocent people don’t do this.  Very difficult to defend oneself when the noose is already tightened around the neck. I think this lot haven’t watched enough movies, don’t they know that the bad guy gets nailed every time because he talks too much?

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