SAQA Accreditation and Registration Private Providers Signed Document 17-09-12


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  • #37132
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    sylvia hammond
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    Joe Samuels has very kindly provided a copy of the signed document on the registration and accreditation of private providers.   Please see attached document, which will also be available in the Downloads section for anyone who has difficulty finding this discussion subsequently.

    Accreditation_and_Registration_Private_Providers_17_Sept_2012.pdf

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  • #37158
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    Lynel Farrell
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    Absolutely wonderful! Thank you so much!

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  • #37157

    Thank you Sylvia. It certainly makes an interesting read…

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  • #37156
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    Andrew Friedemann
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    Does anyone know how to register with the QCTO and their contact details??

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  • #37155
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    Joe Samuels
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    The QCTO delegated the responsibility to SETAs to accredit providers, there is no need to register with the QCTO!

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  • #37154
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    Des Squire
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    Just two comments

    So the document – in the interest of clarification and in order to avoid confusion should have read  – “Providers must apply to the QCTO or the delegated body (the relevant SETA)” – the Irish are stupid???

    What qualifiactaion are currently classified as “qualifications or part-qualifications on the OQF”?

     

     

     

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  • #37153
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    Tass Schwab
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    So in plain English – if you are a private provider and are not accredited yet but are in the process of doing so with your SETA, keep going ahead with this process??? Have I got that right?

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  • #37152
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    Des Squire
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    Hi Tass,

    I CAN SAFELY CONFIRM YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. (I was chastised appropiriately for seeking clarification) 

     

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  • #37151
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    Tass Schwab
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    Thank you for putting yourself out on a limb – you got the *smack and I got the echo!

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  • #37150
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    Andrew Friedemann
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    Thanks for the clarification – I thought for a minute there I had another whole lot of paperwork to do.

     

    Much appreciated

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  • #37149
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    Joe Samuels
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    Dear Des

    It is a bit mischievous to suggest that I had chastised you for seeking clarity. I am very happy to answer any questions of clarification on this matter. I indicated this to Sylvia when I provided the document to be placed on the website.

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  • #37148
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    sylvia hammond
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    Thanks Joe, we really do appreciate your clarification.  As this demonstrates, while documents may seem clear to those creating them, they are often open to interpretation by others.  I suppose that’s why the legal profession flourishes.

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  • #37147
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    Des Squire
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    I am glad someone feels sorry for the providers as we are, after all, the customers.

    I say this “tongue in cheek” and without being mischievous.

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  • #37146
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    Joe Samuels
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    I agree with you Sylvia! I am very happy to provide clarity as one of the signatories of the document.

     

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  • #37145
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    Sonia Magni
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    Hi Joe,

    Would it be possible for me to mail you and ask some questions? I am trying to wrap my head around things.

    Many thanks,

    Sonia

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  • #37144
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    sylvia hammond
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    Hi Sonia and Joe, 

    The questions are highly likely to be the same questions that many other members want to ask but are reluctant to embarrass themselves by making it public that they do not understand.  So it I’m wondering whether you would be prepared to ask the questions of Joe publicly or send them privately. 

    Joe, if you could then post the answers onto the site – or provide the links to the SAQA site if the answer relates to a document. It would save you having to reply to hundreds of members wanting to ask the same question.

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  • #37143
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    Sonia Magni
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    Hi there Syliva,

    Thanks for replying. Please let me know what would be preferable in terms of where and how I send my questions.

    Am really grateful for everybody’s willingness to assist me,

    Thanks,

    Sonia

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  • #37142
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    sylvia hammond
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    Hi Sonia It depends on to your questions refer.  You added your comment here so if they are relevant here, then just reply to this discussion.  Alternatively, if they relate to another discussion – or group you could add them there.  

    If it’s all too much to work out – just go to Forum – click add to add your questions.  At the bottom of the comment block there’s a Category you can choose – one of them is QCTO, there’s also accreditation – see what suits best.  Let me know if you have a problem. 

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  • #37141
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    Desiree Lang
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    After reading the document, I have a question – if we are doing a qualification or skills programmes on NQF L4 – Further Education & Training Certificate (FETC) – do we then need to apply for registration and accreditation with DHET and Umalusi?

     

    Thanks

    Desiree

     

     

     

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  • #37140
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    Joe Samuels
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    Hi Desiree

    If the qualification is on the Occupational Qualifications Framework (OQF) then the answer is no QCTO accreditation will be required.

    Regards
    Joe

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  • #37139
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    sylvia hammond
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    Hi Joe, I’m sorry – maybe I’m just slow, but your reply just doesn’t make any sense to me.  Desiree asked whether if doing NQF L4 FETC qualification do they need to apply for registration & accreditation with DHET & Umlusi.  You responded no QCTO accreditation required.  I am genuinely confused.  Please can you explain further for me.

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  • #37138
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    Joe Samuels
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    Thanks for seeking clarification I was doing this answer quickly! The answer is no to seeking accreditation with Umalusi and registration with the DHET, if the FETC is on the OQF! If the qualification is on the Genfetqf then then you seek accrediation from Umalusi and registration from DHET. If it is on the OQF, then only QCTO accrediation is needed. Now let me answer Des’ question. It is SAQA’s responsibility to allocate where qualifications are assigned. Occupational qualifications will be placed on the OQF!

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  • #37137
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    sylvia hammond
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    Well, that’s a relief! Thanks Joe.  I had thought I was following the concept and yes, your clarification is my understanding.  Depending on where the qualification is allocated, that will determine where you seek accreditation and ultimately you will always register with DHET (when SDA is amended). 

    On QCTO and OQF, is there some influence that you could bring to bear to have more transparent communication on what is going on?  The minimal communication and lack of transparency just fuels the confusion and conspiracy theories.

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  • #37136
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    Joe Samuels
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    Hi Sylvia
    SAQA and the QCTO will be posting a joint communique in the next day or so and I hope that we will be able to do similar things together!
    Regards
    Joe

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  • #37135
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    sylvia hammond
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    Great news Joe – we will do all we can to spread the word – I’m sure members will welcome the information.  They may not always agree, but at least they’ll know what’s going on!

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