Can more be done to assist our "Post School Learners"?


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This topic contains 19 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  Kate Sani 11 months ago.

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  • #64657

    Des Squire
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    With so much talk of late on the subject of “Free Post School education” I find myself asking what exactly is being referred to and what do the learners understand by “Post School Education”.
    If we take compulsory education to mean up to grade 9, then anything after that, for those learners who pull out after grade 9 is Post School.
    My concern is do these learners understand the options available to them and is anyone assisting them in making life long decisions?
    There are two groups of Post School learners – those who pull out after grade 9 and those who leave after grade 12. What is being done to assist them and why do so many feel the only way forward is a main stream University Education and the potential of a Degree?
    Ask learners today what they intend studying at university and why and you will find many have no explanation as to the “why”. They study for a degree without any forethought or specific plan in mind. Many learners study for a degree because they know no better. They have no understanding of the options open to them and to make matters worse their parents know no better either.
    We need to find ways to educate and enlighten (both parents and learners) from grade 8 as to the variety of options open to them. It is quite concerning that with the high unemployment rate in South Africa that nothing much is being done to encourage more of our young people to attend TVET colleges and Universities of technology. This is the way of the future and this is a way to close the skills gaps that exist.
    However in order to do so something needs to happen to create a greater awareness of the benefit of a technical education and of the resulting opportunities for both employment and self employment. Can we as individuals assist? Can we as companies Assist?

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  • #64662

    Gail Gibson
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    I would also like to know the answer to those who drop out after primary school. I have a number of persons known to me who are desperate to learn, but have no funds. Most have had to look after their siblings after parental deaths.

    If anyone can give me guidance to help these poor souls, I would much appreciate it.

    I have in two occasions put people into TVET colleges and not regretted it, but the problem is getting these people that do not have grade 7 to a stage where they can attend any training to equip them for life other than as a domestic.

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  • #64663

    Maxine Peters
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    So true, the question remains who will take up the huge responsibility in unpacking the “Post school Education” As individuals you can play your part to educate as you visit schools etc. However if we act as companies together within a specific area impact will be greater. As a collective we so much stronger, but is it possible to draw in other companies with resources who knows? I spoke to an educator of local high school, most of their learners needs to rewrite and a small percentage passed the exam. So our unemployment rises in leaps in bounds. I agree so what do we do!

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  • #64664

    Xolile Hans
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    Hi Des. We do have organisations that are trying to avoid the start of TVET college entry by Grade 12 Learners. We organise workshops as early as September each year where we inform our learners about where to go in order to further one’s studies.

    We also hand out career guidance material from Setas that respond to our request of sending us the required material. We are sometimes blessed by the presence of a seta official. This mostly happens in Port Elizabeth and rural arrears that are within a 100km radius around PE.

    We would love to do more but funds are scarce.

    Gail, your request relates to Adult Education and Training classess that are running in most towns. We urge most of those willing to learn to go out and research what is available before we inform them because this has made those willing to learn to stay in their respective classes maybe because they were given an opportunity to find out themselves and not spoon fed. “We allow them to catch their own fish”. We also advise those that need further training to form groups that could source personal development funds from setas through Discretionary Grants.

    We are available to assist with more information around AET if requested

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  • #64665

    Gail Gibson
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    Thank you, it is difficult for them because they have no or very old phones and no internet, but I understand the reasoning.

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  • #64666

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Considering the responses so far I ask the question – particularly where those leaving at grade 9 are concerned – Is this not an area where the SETA’s, QCTO and SAQA should become involved?? Perhaps the introduction of specific projects aligned to TVET and AET.
    Maxine I think companies can become involved as a part of their Social responsibility by having open days for community members to just educate them on the various options available to their children. Perhaps companies could offer funding to assist children who want to complete an AET programme. The emphasis and direction needs to change to suit the ever changing needs of our learners.

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  • #64671

    Gail Gibson
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    It is sad to see education in South Africa has come to a situation where we can see the failures. Maybe we all need to think of how we can help at this low level of education.

    I for instance do on-line training programs. I could squeeze in a couple of hours design work a month in order to create training programs for secondary school syllabuses which a partner organisation may wish to offer free to libraries.

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  • #64673

    Thabang Sindane
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    Good Morning,

    I am happy to assist in way possible, i can try to communicate with the Career, Counselling and Student Support office of my institution to assist in anyway possible. This office assign Student Psychologist to identified areas upon invitation and arrangement.

    Since this is a serious concern, it then calls for immediate action. I believe a project plan, identification of immediate resources at our disposal and the necessary time frames to action the latter will best assist. Perhaps, a programme(s) designed to facilitate via workshop or once event.

    Regards,
    .t

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  • #64714

    Des Squire
    Participant

    it is so lovely to hear how people are prepared to assist. There is so much that can be done. I would love to hear from more readers what their opinions and ideas are. Thank you all for your willingness to assist. Perhaps we can do something going forward.

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  • #64717

    Maxine Peters
    Participant

    Morning

    This is great, Xolile if you in Port Elizabeth we need to connect I will be involved in primary schools this year.

    Agree Thabang we need to act now.

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  • #64744

    Petra Penninkhoff
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    Having grown up in the Netherlands I really have no idea what happening about career counselling here in SA. In the Netherlands I remember having to do a career tests to see which type of function one would be most suited for based on interests and so on. I remember my nephew doing the same some 25 years ago. These days, learners in grade 11 are required to visit 2 or 3 open days held by university and colleges. Do schools have career counselors? Do these councillors provide information of the possibilities at the various universities and colleges and other training opportunities? Once I have some idea what is happening at the moment I could try and make a plan.

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  • #64745

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Hi Petra, lovely to be in touch again. Yes schools do have counsellors and yes our children can seek guidance. In addition many of the universities have specialised career guidance centers where children can undergo career suitability tests (for want of a better word. To what extent these are used is anybody’s guess. Personally I feel something needs to start at grade 8 to assist those learners who will pull out of the system following grade9. Career guidance and financial assistance starts here. Free education and when it commences must be addressed and a definite course of action needs to be established. It is all well and good advising our grade 12 learners about university education but what about the thousands who never get to grade 12 – what are we doing for them. We need to get some TVET colleges on board for this discussion.

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  • #64750

    Thabang Sindane
    Participant

    Dear Petra,

    In government schools, career counselling is mostly delivered by you Life Orientation educators. Other schools are fortunately assigned career counselors from the Department of Basic Education (Provincially) beyond that, other State Owned Entities like your National Youth Development Agency and etc will every year visit the schools every February with those Career Assessments and one-one sessions with the learner’s from grade 10-12.

    The unfortunate part, is that most of these learners – a bit reluctant to complete these assessment and view them as time wasting/useless. The impact thereof, is always minimal (only those who are goal oriented and hungry enough, otherwise that information is pointless until reality bites) hence it is now_in most cases shifted to only grade 12/11 learners only (willingly). I used to be part-take in visiting most of these schools, excitement is there but attention is not exercised by these learners, unless it presented to them in small and controllable group.

    Given the above, most of career counselors are then demotivated to engage learners and opt to sit in office and wait for those serious learners to approach them. I guess, the State also abandoned the programme. What is left for them is to attend those career expos and visitations by previous learners from the same school (now university students/NGOs). Please note, any visitation at State School is subject to approval by the DoE(Basic) for free flow of lessons with minimal disturbance, one will again need to liaise with the Life Orientation Educator as they are the custodians of the task at school.

    Dear All,

    May i then request that we move with what we have currently and any other party or challenge(s) we deal with as we proceed. At times, it’s always easy for other to join something that has actions as opposed to discussing and interrogating issues virtually.

    I am based in Pretoria, and what i see here is very sad.
    Learners are flooding in numbers in various campuses, some have not even applied to the universities. I foresee most of these learners being stranded and not studying this year adding to their bag of problem (remember, some are still not informed of their career choices).

    Regards
    .t

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  • #64756

    Petra Penninkhoff
    Participant

    Thanks Des (yeah great to be back) and Thabang for your answers.

    Yes Thabang: we need to start doing rather than talking.

    And yes Des, I agree it should start much earlier than grade 10-12. So we need to get doing something at that level. Some months ago I happened to come across the TVET journal. I was wondering whether the journal is being distributed at schools. The editor (?) wrote back saying no it was internally for TVET colleges. That surprised me.
    Based on what Thabang wrote I wonder whether language and jargon may be too ambitious for the target groups.

    Anyway, I am based in Durban-North. Durbanites lets get together, let’s say Wednesday February 1, at 10.30 am at the M&B in La Lucia mall. Any alternative date place and time is fine with me, as long as we get something going.

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  • #64774

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Hi Petra, I like the initiative – good luck in Durbs.

    Do you or any other reader have the contact information (e-mail address) for all the TVET colleges?

    Does anyone know where we might source this information?

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    • #64810

      Andile Magqirana
      Participant

      I am available for help at Durban KZN Petra we can meet and do something

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  • #64775

    Thabang Sindane
    Participant

    Sir, Des

    Kindly visit this link http://www.tvetcolleges.co.za/Site_Public_FET.aspx
    It has most if not all available colleges.

    Regards,
    .t

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  • #64801

    Des Squire
    Participant

    Thank you so much Thabang. I will make contact with them in connection with the above topic and will keep you posted. The information you have directed me to is exactly what I require. Thanks again.

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  • #64816

    Petra Penninkhoff
    Participant

    Hi Andile,

    Great

    Can we meet at M&B La Lucia mall on Thursday (not Wednesday) February 1 at 10.30.? Depends on your location. Please feel free to make an other suggestion. And let’s try to get some more people.

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  • #64829

    Kate Sani
    Participant

    A wonderful initiative. Members may be interested in exploring the DHET’s Community Colleges route specifically established in 2015 for adults and youth who have not had the opportunity to complete their schooling, including basic education. These colleges offer both “academic” and occupational opportunities. Attached is the policy and vision of these.

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