Fingerprinting 22


As it is no secret, I am Job seeking. Anyway, last week, I went for an interview at an Employment Agency and was enthusiastically greeted when I entered, whereby, the lady who welcomed me in asks me to take a seat, and I thanked her and took a seat. She then said, no love, would you please take that seat “I will sit here” o.k. I sort of felt a quizzical look come on and moved.  Well, knock me over with a feather! I was asked to place my right thumb on this contraption (that looked a bit like an upside down mouse, with the red glowing light). I looked at her, to which she replied, “ I just need to take your fingerprints for our files”!

Although I was advised by my sister to keep my mouth shut and not offer opinions, my surprise made me forget. I asked if she was aware that the company was in breach of my Human Rights and well as the Data Protection Act? “Really?” she asked, to which I proceeded to once again, shoot myself in the foot with my big mouth and replied that they would have to obtain my permission to be fingerprinted, and that I would then have to sign an agreement to this which they would keep on record to defend their actions should I choose to make a case of infringement of my rights. Also that fingerprints may only be taken if I was arrested under investigation of a crime or charged with a crime, I thereby diminished my rights. And that I should be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

 

All the while, I obliged with going through the process because I have nothing to hide, and as having worked on classified components before, I have had the full genealogy and criminal checks done, together with having to sign (way back then) a 25 year no talk about it document. (That was a tough one, for a talker). So I personally do not have a problem with this.

 

I am just perplexed at the nonchalant way in which all of this is accepted as a way of doing things. Have the Human Rights and Data Protection Act become obsolete?, innocent until proven guilty, not working anymore?

Pretty soon we will be chipped at birth, like motor vehicles fitted with tracking devices at manufacture.

Drive through a toll road and immediately the toll cost can be deducted off your bank account, they have all the information. Interesting thought!

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22 thoughts on “Fingerprinting

  • GAETAN NOEL LEBON

    Hi GAIL,

    Very nice and neat post, the fingerprinting as you asy is just the beginning.

    The technique of using the eyes as a way to identify you is being used and kept in a database by some institutions and in the pipeline is the voice tonality.

    Anyway your post was very interesting. Have you ever though of writing a book ?

    NOEL LEBON

     

     

     

  • Colin Dovey

    You said “drunk fly” – I didn’t 🙂 One of my sons has something like that and he is earning BIG TIME in London. Don’t judge yourself so harshly Gail. You may be very surprised at how many positives you have yet to discover about yourself. You DO need to talk to someone. ASAP.

  • Gail Dawson Post author

    Bernhard, Next time I finally get an interview, I am going to either take a valuim to slow my brain down or stuff my mouth with Chewing gum, so I cant talk so much.  Last year I got and Interview at Falsebay College, Fair Enough I did not know enough about SETA’s at the time. But they said that South Africa has changed a lot in 20 odd years andmaybe I need more time to get aquainted. I dont think it was my lack of SETA knowledge that did not get me appointed, it was saying that I was aware that a cigerette was now called an “enjie” lol..

  • Gail Dawson Post author

    Hee Hee, Des, I know what you mean dear, I am exactly there, but I still love every day and spread love and knowledge. Maybe you can help me decide, you seem to be well informed. I need to decide on a path and I think  starting at Six Sigma BB working on to MBB. Is that something that is used locally. my Skills diverity has to be streamlined apparently.

  • Gail Dawson Post author

    Hello Dianne, My problem is similar to yours, I basically worked my way through having had to leave school at 15, had a few secretarial certificates but they were written on papyrus I think, Dos and punchcard seem to have gone out of fashion. lol. Emigrated 24 years ago and had to retrain in the UK as I was batting from a sticky wicket there: female, wont survive in UK. Anyway, I went to college in the evening while working and raising two children for a BTEC Business & Finance which has no value here apparently. And my skills are to varied. so basically for 3 years here I have been doing jobs from home unable to get employment. So giving it a couple more months if nothing . I am heading back to the UK.. I hate failure through no fault of my own.

  • Dianne Ramroop

    Hi Des….Oh dear 4 years to go before I hit the big 50. Something we have in common…I always employed people who would pose a “challenge”…kept me on top of my game, and definitely contributed to my success. It has become clearer now that Corporates desire “Yes men” who they can manipulate and mould into “Mini me’s”…really sad…reflective of the sad state our country’s in…..strong words, I know, but it is so very frustrating!

  • Des Squire

    You should try to find employment when you are over the age of 50 or 55 to say nothing of being over 60. When a person is told they are too experienced for a position then this reflects a very sad state. What has happened to the aspect of sharng experience with others, assisting in the development of others, mentoring and coaching. As an old school manager I come from a philosophy of “always employ those who are better than you so you can learn from them and draw on their experience” – the new school is “employ those with as little experience as possible and be lord and master over them”   

  • Dianne Ramroop

    Gail, I empathise with you. With more than 25 years of working experience, a pretty impressive resume, if i may say so myself, certificates to prove the achievements and various qualifications, 10 months later and I remain unemployed. I have feedback such as I am far too assertive; the company does not feel that they could “sustain” me and wouldn’t want to hold me back. The most recent is a copy of my matric certificate, the copy I have is not certified, original destroyed in a fire. Well, 11 telephone calls later, visits to the police station, post office, and 3 different office blocks, i get told that I will have to wait 3 months, before a copy is issued. Their offices open @ 9am and close @ 3.30pm, it’s no wonder then! I cannot proceed to the next step of a particylar interview without it. Sylvia I agree, in this time of high unemployment, surely with technology, we should not have to wait that long? Des, whilst there are processess in place to deal with the various issues we face, if you look @ the challenges those propose, sometimes in a situation like mine, where you are unemployed, you cannot help but question; is it actually worth the stress. One might as well focus on what is priority…..finding a job!

  • Etchu Thomas Atem

    those are real crude methods in the 21st century; similar to the recent airports body scans for anti-terrorism. May be job seekers are terrorists to their potential employers we still do not know. This is serious and should be given the attention it deserves. May be Gail would be failed because of her defense. Is skill Universe having any thing in place to secure us all apart from relying on political statements and policies which are often formulated by “committees made up of the Unfit, selected by the Unwilling to do the unnecessary” in the name of ‘amended legislation’?

  • Natalie Govender

    Interesting conversation flowing here.  Besides Finger printing and/or Polygraph testing which could pre job requirements – we ourselves have opened ourselves up to all sorts of investigations.

    One need look no further than Social networks – future employers can easily scan your profile.  We need to be wary of what we project of ourselves online as well.

     

    Just my two cents.

  • Colin Dovey

    I find it extraordinary that we do not do a PROFESSIONAL Handwriting Analysis – it is far more insightful than many other approaches. It is regularly done in France and many other countries. Even the “blockprinting” that many people working on computers use today can be accurately assessed. I do it all the time for my clients, from Grade 12’s right through to old toppies and believe me they are stunned. CLICK HERE

  • sylvia hammond

    It is interesting that in a time of high unemployment, when applicants will do anything to get a job, potential employers and recruitment agencies find it easy to abuse the applicants’ human rights. 

    The new Employment Services Bill, which is currently out for public consultation, will require that there are public employment services, and that all private employment services will have to be registered.  There will all be an Employment Services Board. 

    A lot of the comment so far has focused on the sections relating them to “labour broking”, but it seems to me that there will be a lot of value in having registered employment services, with a Board to which complaints such as this could be submitted.  

  • Des Squire

    It is worth remembering that taking of fingerprints and/or Polygraph testing would be permissible if it can be provd by the employer that they are an inherent requirement of the job. At tha time of interview the prospective employer could reasonably be expected to explain to the applicant why this need exists. If the applicant is a reasonable person and agrees with the reasoning then they should agree to the application requirements.

    A person who feels they have been unairly treated by a prospective employer bcause they refused to take a test or to have fingerprints taken would be entitled to claim unfair discrimination or treatment.  

  • Gail Dawson Post author

    Well, I did get the impression that if I did not oblidge, the interview would not take place as this was part and parcel of the process.. Mind you, if they had asked for a pint of blood I would proberbly have given it.. Love and light. Gail

  • Gail Dawson Post author

    Hi Bronwyn, You lucky girl, you got a gift…  Anyways regards the finger printing. No, she just said Oh! and carried on with the Inspector Morse Like determination of fingerprinting me..  So if ever you need to be fingerprinter, do not put moisturiser on your hands, it smudges the prints. lol.  “Wonder if I will get a job through them ??  hee hee