Hi all. I thought I'd warn you about some bad business practices doing the rounds.

I was contacted by a company in Durban and asked to fascilitate some courses here in Cape Town. All went well for the first couple of times. Everything that was agreed on was delivered on both ends.

However in November i was approached again to deliver a course at E-TV which i duly did as per my normal professional way. now that payment is due i'm being ignored, calls are not returned and just plain silence.

all my attempts to contact the person is in vain. the one time i did get hold of her she spun me a story that someone else was suppose to pay me.

I'm deliberately not mentioning the name of the company in a last ditch effort to get attention. E-tv is now contacting me to get hold of this person who was paid in full by E-tv but who refuses to pay me.



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Comment by Juliet Camilla Gillies on December 7, 2011 at 10:08

Hi David

Comment by Gill Connellan on December 7, 2011 at 7:23

Hi David, are you a member of ours?  As a paid up member of the ASDFSA, we would intervene on your behalf and write a letter to the company who hired you in an attempt to resolve this situation, but we cannot act without this mandate.  We do not have this situation often, but we have successfully intervened for providers and for learners in the past with a good degree of success.  Please advise. 

Comment by Paul Germain on December 6, 2011 at 16:43

It is a great pity that you don't name and shame. There are far too many people taking advantage of our professional goodwill and services.


Comment by Irene James on December 6, 2011 at 16:21

What an unfortunate experience - totally unethical.  However, these rats do exist and I am all for naming and shaming.  I am of the opinion that we all keep quiet about these issues too often.  Is she accredited?  If so, report her to the SETA.  We were all promised that these unethical people would be hunted down by SAQA, and nothing has come of that. It is this kind of rot that gives private providers a bad name!   They have no conscience and are happy to take, but not give.  I trust you had a formal signed contract with her?

Comment by Patrick Lowe on December 6, 2011 at 16:09

What is an appropriate daily market rate for a Facilitator and an Assessor.


Comment by Marguerite Sacco Turner on December 6, 2011 at 15:28

I don't think you should name as yet. It's never advisable to burn bridges. My suggestion is to keep on trying, be persistent, but if still nothing, have her blacklisted. I believe the way it is done is that she will be blocked for credit until such time as she settles what she owes you. then her blacklisting is lifted. I don't know any more about it than taht, but it sounds like a useful way to get a person't attention! Good Luck.

Comment by Moira De Roche on December 6, 2011 at 15:24

Name and shame them. Then you'll get their attention, and what's more prevent any of us getting caught out in the same way.


Comment by Rufaz M Mavhure on December 6, 2011 at 15:23
It also happens with providers who engage reps on commission using own car.When they decide to fire rep for own cause or benefit,they refuse to pay commissions due.This is mostly done to foreign nationals. We will be publishing all ill practising Training Providers soon.

Comment by Hannes Nel on December 6, 2011 at 15:20

I hope you did not issue them with certificates yet.

Comment by Andre Keyter on December 6, 2011 at 15:18

Hi David

I cant see if you are a c.c. of company. But if you are not claim the money due via the small claims court. Start with an amount that is less the 7 thousand Rand. Expenses, traveling etc...

Ask your local court registar to assist you with the forms or drop me a mail and I will send you a template



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