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It is quite amazing that what was last week a Services SETA provider forum has now this week become an Association. The offically recognised national Association of Private Providers of Education Training and Development (APPETD) which has been established for more than twelve years and is recognised by the DHET as one of the key stakeholders, has been pleading for more active participation by ALL private providers in the interests of serving the industry.

 

I am sure that the current Board of APPETD would welcome ANY assistance it can get to improve its services, increase its membership, ensure that the private provider voice is stronger and that the contribution that is made by the private provider industry in South Africa is taken seriously by all.

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One of the first questions I asked Lynn was - is there not potential conflick here between APPETD and TAPPP?

Lynn did respond to me but you obviously missed this question and reply. I am still of the opinion there will be conflict in terms of objectives etc and am also surprised there is a need for both organisations. (Too many cooks etc)

Like you I was suprised by the speed at which all of this has happened and how quick it all happened. I must admit I still am.

I am still very positive about what needs to be done and Lynn seems to be moving at a rate of nots. APPETD has been fast asleep and very quiet  - on this site anyway - during the entire debacle.

Hi Rooksana

This looks great!

Can you give me more information as to what we can expect from APPETD? How can one become a member and how can we help?

Your response would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Allan Hanreck

Hi Rookshana how are you as a provider and assessor myself what is the details of APPETD and what is the cost of being a member .
Further TAPPP seems more vibrant
Regards

N Soobiah 0735528680

Hi Rookshana

Opposition in terms of more or better Associations is absolutely necessary to ensure high standards and quality and a mouthpiece in the Sector that is really concerned for the wellbeing of the Private Providers.  I think more of these Associations and Forums will see the light if the current ones do not address the correct issues at hand.  Forums and Associations that are committed to quality, get the backup and support of leaders in the Private Providers Sector behind them, have the best interest of the Sector at heart and that do not charge an arm and a leg in membership fees, will grow from strength to strength.

Hi christine i agree thar we need strong opposition for Quality,integrity and consistency without paying an arm and a leg

 

Regards

N Soobiah  0735528680

Christine Maritz said:

Hi Rookshana

Opposition in terms of more or better Associations is absolutely necessary to ensure high standards and quality and a mouthpiece in the Sector that is really concerned for the wellbeing of the Private Providers.  I think more of these Associations and Forums will see the light if the current ones do not address the correct issues at hand.  Forums and Associations that are committed to quality, get the backup and support of leaders in the Private Providers Sector behind them, have the best interest of the Sector at heart and that do not charge an arm and a leg in membership fees, will grow from strength to strength.

I became a member of the Association of Private Providers of Education Training and Development (APPETD) in 2010 with the promise / undertaking that they will assist me with the Services SETA registration as a moderator. After I paid my membership fees they disappeared under the radar, only to emerge when my 2011 fees were due.

 

I think you understand why I send them very far away

 

Dear cas

 

thanks for your information and i say maybe the integrity of their oeganisation be tested in pblic

Regards N Soobiah

Cas Olivier said:

I became a member of the Association of Private Providers of Education Training and Development (APPETD) in 2010 with the promise / undertaking that they will assist me with the Services SETA registration as a moderator. After I paid my membership fees they disappeared under the radar, only to emerge when my 2011 fees were due.

 

I think you understand why I send them very far away

 

It is a real pity that some providers have had  a bad response while others seem to enjoy the benefits of belonging to APPETD which seems to have served the purpose of engagement on various levels. Pehaps, and these are just my own thoughts, that under the circumstances getting involved and making demands on the organisation is more appropriate than starting over. From my own experience people are happy for someone else to take charge but maybe it is a perception that can be corrected soon. Who needs opposition when we have the NSDS III to work our way through in the coming years and the promise of a QCTO that has not even started implemention since being launched in Feb 2010?

But these are interesting inputs made thus far! What we also need is for ALL providers to submit comments on the proposed amendments to the FET College Amendment Bill, HE Amendment Bill and Skills Development Amendment Bill. Hope you have done so already!

As one of the founding members of APPETD I just want to remind people that APPETD consists of an inclusive alliance of provider organisations that merged 12 years ago in order to be able to talk to the government bodies. THey have done so with great success and influenced much of the existing legislation.  It will be a good idea if TAPPP becomes part of APPETD that specifically looks after the needs of skills providers. TAPPP has done a good job so far in the Services SETA and should now also look at helping other SETA providers.

Competition in this sort of association is not a good idea as the government wants to speak to one group only. Besides, the body consists of member companies  and not individuals. Last when I looked the membership fees where determined by the kind of turn over of the company. Individual consultants can also join as companies. Let us rather stand together, as it is hard enough for ETD providers to survive.

It is also necessary for me to point out that this kind of associationis not for profit and cannot make money out of members at the expense of their members's businesses.

Wise words as usual Marietta. Thank you. I appreciate the energy and the drive shown by the new interest group TAPPP, and I agree, we do need to find a way of having one strong lobby voice.

hi rookshana shame do you also work on a saturday as you know we as etdp practitioners also most of the times do so because of corrupted SETAS

 

thanks tony

Rooksana Rajab said:

Wise words as usual Marietta. Thank you. I appreciate the energy and the drive shown by the new interest group TAPPP, and I agree, we do need to find a way of having one strong lobby voice.
 

Dear Rooksana

 

Firstly, apologies for the late response to your question asked as to "WHO is TAPPP", a question that required a prompt response for the clarity of APPETD and similar associations that have not been following or responding to the Services SETA provider crisis since the 21st April 2011. Our priority in the past 48 hours has been the much anticipated initiation of the Minister's Road Show and on behalf of our members who are representative of the Industry and Profession and as the voice of the people; the need for dialogue with the Minister took precedence.

 

In response to your question, TAPPP is the result of an initiative that was born out of crisis. The 21st April placed our industry, the profession, the Learners, Interns, Lead  and Host Employer, Independents, SDFs, Coaches and Mentors, suppliers and all contributors both directly and indirectly at serious risk of collapse due to non payment and no response to the questions of many. We were not informed by the Services SETA or notified of the potential risks of the looming crisis by any representative association or professional body. As a member of APPETD I would have hoped to have been kept informed on this vital  and concerning agenda.

 

The silence was deafening and the need for a collective voice was realised.

 

One month later, and after much support and an overwhelming response to my call to action, TAPPP is rapidly becoming a growing voice for the Industry and Profession and stands united for open, honest and transparent collective dialogue on behalf of all Private Providers including established Associations and Professional Bodies.

 

As per my previous postings, we support and value the work done by established Associations and we call for unity in this regard. TAPPP is one collective voice across SETAs, Sectors and Industries. We stand for collaboration and representation with every Association and look forward to meeting with APPETD on this initiative.

 

On behalf of TAPPP, to all our members and followers a special thank you for the heartfelt support and positive responses and comments received. For further exciting information and an update on the past 48 hours we will be posting this to the forum and the TAPPP Group . We must prepare as we see ourselves moving towards very exciting and positive times.

 

TAPPP - Your voice has now been heard by the Honourable Minister, Dr S. Moon, by Stakeholders and Representatives; and all who had the opportunity to attend the Minister's Durban Road show yesterday 20th May 2011.

 

TAPPP Chairperson: Lyn Mansour

 

 

 

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One of the first questions I asked Lynn was - is there not potential conflick here between APPETD and TAPPP?

Lynn did respond to me but you obviously missed this question and reply. I am still of the opinion there will be conflict in terms of objectives etc and am also surprised there is a need for both organisations. (Too many cooks etc)

Like you I was suprised by the speed at which all of this has happened and how quick it all happened. I must admit I still am.

I am still very positive about what needs to be done and Lynn seems to be moving at a rate of nots. APPETD has been fast asleep and very quiet  - on this site anyway - during the entire debacle.

Hi Rooksana

This looks great!

Can you give me more information as to what we can expect from APPETD? How can one become a member and how can we help?

Your response would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Allan Hanreck

This post asks a question that it then fails to answer, thereby highlighting  Des's point.

Are we not drowning in alphabet soup?  I think I have lost my APPETITE already? 

Sincerely

Malcolm

Hi Rookshana how are you as a provider and assessor myself what is the details of APPETD and what is the cost of being a member .
Further TAPPP seems more vibrant
Regards

N Soobiah 0735528680

Hi Rookshana

Opposition in terms of more or better Associations is absolutely necessary to ensure high standards and quality and a mouthpiece in the Sector that is really concerned for the wellbeing of the Private Providers.  I think more of these Associations and Forums will see the light if the current ones do not address the correct issues at hand.  Forums and Associations that are committed to quality, get the backup and support of leaders in the Private Providers Sector behind them, have the best interest of the Sector at heart and that do not charge an arm and a leg in membership fees, will grow from strength to strength.

Hi christine i agree thar we need strong opposition for Quality,integrity and consistency without paying an arm and a leg

 

Regards

N Soobiah  0735528680

Christine Maritz said:

Hi Rookshana

Opposition in terms of more or better Associations is absolutely necessary to ensure high standards and quality and a mouthpiece in the Sector that is really concerned for the wellbeing of the Private Providers.  I think more of these Associations and Forums will see the light if the current ones do not address the correct issues at hand.  Forums and Associations that are committed to quality, get the backup and support of leaders in the Private Providers Sector behind them, have the best interest of the Sector at heart and that do not charge an arm and a leg in membership fees, will grow from strength to strength.

I became a member of the Association of Private Providers of Education Training and Development (APPETD) in 2010 with the promise / undertaking that they will assist me with the Services SETA registration as a moderator. After I paid my membership fees they disappeared under the radar, only to emerge when my 2011 fees were due.

 

I think you understand why I send them very far away

 

Dear cas

 

thanks for your information and i say maybe the integrity of their oeganisation be tested in pblic

Regards N Soobiah

Cas Olivier said:

I became a member of the Association of Private Providers of Education Training and Development (APPETD) in 2010 with the promise / undertaking that they will assist me with the Services SETA registration as a moderator. After I paid my membership fees they disappeared under the radar, only to emerge when my 2011 fees were due.

 

I think you understand why I send them very far away

 

It is a real pity that some providers have had  a bad response while others seem to enjoy the benefits of belonging to APPETD which seems to have served the purpose of engagement on various levels. Pehaps, and these are just my own thoughts, that under the circumstances getting involved and making demands on the organisation is more appropriate than starting over. From my own experience people are happy for someone else to take charge but maybe it is a perception that can be corrected soon. Who needs opposition when we have the NSDS III to work our way through in the coming years and the promise of a QCTO that has not even started implemention since being launched in Feb 2010?

But these are interesting inputs made thus far! What we also need is for ALL providers to submit comments on the proposed amendments to the FET College Amendment Bill, HE Amendment Bill and Skills Development Amendment Bill. Hope you have done so already!

As one of the founding members of APPETD I just want to remind people that APPETD consists of an inclusive alliance of provider organisations that merged 12 years ago in order to be able to talk to the government bodies. THey have done so with great success and influenced much of the existing legislation.  It will be a good idea if TAPPP becomes part of APPETD that specifically looks after the needs of skills providers. TAPPP has done a good job so far in the Services SETA and should now also look at helping other SETA providers.

Competition in this sort of association is not a good idea as the government wants to speak to one group only. Besides, the body consists of member companies  and not individuals. Last when I looked the membership fees where determined by the kind of turn over of the company. Individual consultants can also join as companies. Let us rather stand together, as it is hard enough for ETD providers to survive.

It is also necessary for me to point out that this kind of associationis not for profit and cannot make money out of members at the expense of their members's businesses.

Wise words as usual Marietta. Thank you. I appreciate the energy and the drive shown by the new interest group TAPPP, and I agree, we do need to find a way of having one strong lobby voice.

hi rookshana shame do you also work on a saturday as you know we as etdp practitioners also most of the times do so because of corrupted SETAS

 

thanks tony

Rooksana Rajab said:

Wise words as usual Marietta. Thank you. I appreciate the energy and the drive shown by the new interest group TAPPP, and I agree, we do need to find a way of having one strong lobby voice

 indeed. Alaimportant?

 

 

 

to our ardent supports and members that have been following TAPPP since our inception itition

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