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Services Seta Drama: Meeting called for the formation of a Collective for Providers, SDFs, Lead Employers and Suppliers

 

Following the notification sent by the Services SETA on Thursday afternoon 21st April 2011 re, the Services SETA being placed under administration and all payment transactions being stopped as per the attached; KLM Empowered, a Provider, SDF, Supplier and Lead Employer to the sector hereby appeals to fellow parties that are directly or indirectly affected by the decision taken by  Dr Sihle Moon as the appointed administrator, to participate in the formation of a Collective for the purposes of finding an urgent resolution to the matter at hand and to exploring alternatives in view of securing a sustainable future for those servicing the Services SETA and the sector in various capacities.

 

Confirmation via email of your interest in participating and availability to attend the meeting scheduled for Johannesburg on Thursday 28th April 2011 at 11h30 is kindly requested. To ensure solidarity nationally, please note that regional meetings across all additional eight provinces will be scheduled hereafter.

 

Johannesburg Venue: H.Santos Building, 2nd Floor, East Wing, 30 Arena Close, Bruma, JHB

 

We look forward to receiving your confirmation of attendance and participation.

 

“To create a symphony, many voices have to come together as one

 

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Hi Lyn

 

Please forward me your email address so that I can confirm my attendance

 

Dear Lyn

 

Thank you for standing for all of us in the field of skills development!  I am 100% behind you regarding this matter. 

 

Kind regards

 

Karin Genade

Thank you for the invitation.I will be in JHB from wednesday the 27th up to saterday 30th on business.Time might clash for me as i will be conducting training until afternoon.I would appreciate if you could forward me with some resolutions taken on my email mlamuli@acehumancapital.co.za.

 Thanks

It is all very well to form a Collective as this is indeed a shocking and aribrary move, but should we not demand a full explanation for the suspension of Ivor as CEO.  We also need to know that all committments will be met.  We have to remind Dr. Moon that this is levy income from us, the stakeholders.  As the Services Seta commands the largest slice of the pie of incoming levies in the entire SETA portfolio, especially the recruitment industry and TES consultants, this is going to impact on thousands of learners and interested parties.  Perhaps it would be prudent to intiate a moritorium on our levies and we should all withhold said levy payments to SARS until we have clarification (they will of course be paid when the time is right, and should be put aside for later payment - as we do NOT support the breaking of the SD Act, the Tax Act, the Acts covering employment etc.).  Money talks, and this move may produce a rapid response from the Minister and Dr. Moon.  According to best practice, the Services Seta should have a monthly Management Account and micro/macro budgets that can be made public too......with the names of all individual beneficiaries included.  Records of all grants, benefits and funding, internal and external, should also be made public and at least cover the  past 5 years in order to clear the air.  Dr. Moon should have nothing to hide, so leave it to the stakeholders to have their input.

Shannon Davidoff,

ex-Chair of the Services Seta Western Province Labour Chamber, Regional Provincial Board member, and industry representative on other boards  (retired 2009) but still consulting to the industry.

 

 

Hi Mpho

 

Kindly please R.S.V.P to lyn.mansour@klmempowered.com.



Mpho Mpholo said:

Hi Lyn

 

Please forward me your email address so that I can confirm my attendance

 


Hi Shannon

Thank you for your posted response. I concur with your valid concerns and urge the Services SETA, the Administrator, the Chair, Dr Moon and Minister Blade Mzimande to; exercise total transparency, engage in open and conducive dialogues, arrange road shows to provide pre-warnings to all parties concerned re the current and future state of SETAs and allow for open forums for public discussions and opinions to be heard, conduct impact analysis and measure results, which we know are far reaching and beneficial. Respect the advice and suggestions of seasoned specialists, levy paying members, non levy paying members (NGOs), providers, independents, SDFs and suppliers that deliver on expectation and who align to governments strategy of upliftment and poverty eradication through skills development. Built on trust, earn respect, bridge the divide, develop a culture of honesty and integrity and value the outputs of so many for the greater good of humanity. Respect the labour of love that providers, coaches, mentors, SDFs, Lead and Host Employers and Suppliers relentlessly continue to pursue. Continue to invest in the passion that is the driving force behind making a remarkable and significant difference. Collectively and in collaboration we can positively contribute towards meeting the 2015 Millenium Goals and be instrumental in changing the world we live in through the power of knowledge, leadership and management in view of developing a formidable talent pool of and skilled workforce. Together, we will.

 

Lyn Mansour


Shannon Davidoff said:

It is all very well to form a Collective as this is indeed a shocking and aribrary move, but should we not demand a full explanation for the suspension of Ivor as CEO.  We also need to know that all committments will be met.  We have to remind Dr. Moon that this is levy income from us, the stakeholders.  As the Services Seta commands the largest slice of the pie of incoming levies in the entire SETA portfolio, especially the recruitment industry and TES consultants, this is going to impact on thousands of learners and interested parties.  Perhaps it would be prudent to intiate a moritorium on our levies and we should all withhold said levy payments to SARS until we have clarification (they will of course be paid when the time is right, and should be put aside for later payment - as we do NOT support the breaking of the SD Act, the Tax Act, the Acts covering employment etc.).  Money talks, and this move may produce a rapid response from the Minister and Dr. Moon.  According to best practice, the Services Seta should have a monthly Management Account and micro/macro budgets that can be made public too......with the names of all individual beneficiaries included.  Records of all grants, benefits and funding, internal and external, should also be made public and at least cover the  past 5 years in order to clear the air.  Dr. Moon should have nothing to hide, so leave it to the stakeholders to have their input.

Shannon Davidoff,

ex-Chair of the Services Seta Western Province Labour Chamber, Regional Provincial Board member, and industry representative on other boards  (retired 2009) but still consulting to the industry.

 

 

Dear Karen

 

Your constant passion, unwavering support and relentless commitment to Skills Development, the Learners, the Interns, the Host Employers and to KLM Empowered is highly respected, valued and applauded, thank you.

 

Lyn Mansour

Karin Genade said:

Dear Lyn

 

Thank you for standing for all of us in the field of skills development!  I am 100% behind you regarding this matter. 

 

Kind regards

 

Karin Genade


Dear Mlamuli

 

Thank you for your response, we will ensure you are notified and supplied the with documentation accordingly.

 

Lyn Mansour
Mlamuli Dlamini said:

Thank you for the invitation.I will be in JHB from wednesday the 27th up to saterday 30th on business.Time might clash for me as i will be conducting training until afternoon.I would appreciate if you could forward me with some resolutions taken on my email mlamuli@acehumancapital.co.za.

 Thanks

Good morning

I believe what is happening know is the result of the way the SETA's were originally formed. For those that remember, it was a hasty process, without much  direction and control. Each SETA is a body, they were told to spend levy money on different skills development initiatives.

As there were no overall management body each SETA did as they interpret the process - some more successful and some less successful. Personalities also came through, some stronger than other. This was, and still is, a costly & frustrating (for us the members)  process by example different WSP submission processes  - each SETA paid consultants to develop which could have been done once for all the SETA's.   

I believe what Blade Nzimande is doing is rectify the above. How he is going about it, is another issue.

 

Regarding Services Seta, they are in the forefront regarding the bigger picture issues but we all know that their "kitchen " is not in order.  I am still still waiting for Learnership Certificates of 2 years back.

 

We should be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I therefore agree  with Lynn on discussions with the Service Seta structures to find solutions.

 

Best wishes

 

Andre Coetzee

Green Door Consulting

 

Hi I will attend this session
Regards
Susheila

 

Thank you Andre, you have put this very well.  Not only was it a cumbersome process bogged down by tons of red tape, we also had to learn a whole new 'language' and steer our way through different bodies, like the ETQA's, who did not appear to be singing from the same page.  Most frustrating was the fact that when questions were asked, no direct answers were given - just more red tape and 'pass on' situations.  Too many chiefs, not enough Indians, and the Chiefs could not make decisions, or for fear of being out of line, would not make decisions.  Communications were bad - emails mostly not answered, phone calls a nightmare.  Then roadshows where we were left with visionary oratory, but no directives as to how to proceed.  But, the amazing thing was we all rose to the challenge and had found a way through the maze and eventually after many years of dedication and passion the stakeholders started to fashion a workable game plan - only to be faced with even more ground breaking changes, and the new situation we find ourselves in now.  I hate to think of the cost of setting up this system originally - academics and consultants were paid a fortune, but possibly had no working knowledge on how it works at the coal face - and the more convoluted, the more expensive the costs. (I often wonder if any of the subject matter experts had ever actually employed anybody at all in their life?) Many questions have not been answered.  It is frightful to think of the new dispensation, new leaders, the QTCO, new strategies etc, that may have no real working experience of the system as it really exists, but are listening to other role players with vested interests who do not have the street smarts of this highly complex objective - the objective of actually training and qualifying individuals for the work place, and job creation.  Andre is correct, the whole system has to be standardised, just for starters.  But we cannot just stop the train - there are projects underway that have to see completion under the old strategies first.  It is imperative that the new hierarchy is fully on board, reachable, interactive and focussed - and present at their desks at all times, and come from an education/learning/training/HR background.

 

Best regards,

Shannon Davidoff

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